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Palestine - time to tell the truth : Comments

By David Singer, published 22/12/2011

Newt Gingrich has had the courage to come out and say what few others will: the Palestinian people are an invention.

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hey you....
yes you...

the lady
moove...to the back of the bus

how do you know a racist...[ok sexist]
live in israel...take anything you want

build ya own prison walls

serve satan...call him god
then be gods people...under the faulse god of bias hate fear and war

by their deeds[works]..can you tell...them
the life giving good god..is not served by any death

we either love neighbour...make their lives better
or we serve the satan claws[santa clause]..by love of murder

one or the other
if its not love..its hate
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 8:20:16 AM
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Hi imajulianutter, I am a racist but not a misogynist.

Israel is a western democracy in which Arabs and Christians make up second class citizens, and I don’t see anything wrong with that. I do not see anything wrong with a majority wishing to preserve their own cultural values by discriminating against those who do not share their culture. Especially when those values make their nations a success and keep their people safe. The Muslims have been doing it for centuries, their problem is that their culture is the reason why their communities are poverty stricken unsafe.

We have the same thing in Australia, white people may not enter “aboriginal” lands without permission, because the abos want to preserve their failed stone age culture, and naturally you see nothing wrong with that. Australia also has many racist laws which which legally make whites unequal to blacks. What amuses me is that there is a clear double standard here, yet you with your doublethink mentality is completely unable to grasp it.

You seem to hold Israel to moral perfection because it is a democracy, while studiously ignoring the almost complete lack of human rights in Muslim countries. Tell me, are you morally perfect yourself? Or do you consider yourself a basically honest and compassionate person who has done a few naughty things and acted in your own self interest on occasion? If the latter, why do you hold the Israelis to a higher standard than you do yourself? And would you not feel offended if some people never stopped complaining about your few sins, when you live in a neighborhood full of violent thieves, misogynists, and religious fanatics, whos behaviour they pointedly ignore?

The reason why people such as yourself turned your backs on Israel is for a very good reason. People with your mindset divide the world into oppressors and victims. Israel was once considered a victim, and the Arabs the oppresors. But Israel did something wrong. It kept winning its wars. And since winners are always oppressors and losers always victims, your Brahmin caste simply switched sides.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 8:31:53 AM
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Dear Lego,

Again.

Here were the poor oppressed Germans, living under the extreme deprivations imposed by the victors of the first world war, who finally stood up for themselves.

Wasn't their leader lionized, Time Man of the Year, his picture gracing the desk of Henry Ford.

Then they went and had the temerity to go take a bite out of Czechoslovakia and to slap the Poles around a little.

To borrow your words if I may;

'The reason why people such as yourself turned your backs on Germany is for a very good reason. People with your mindset divide the world into oppressors and victims. Germany was once considered a victim, and the victors the oppresors. But Germany did something wrong. It kept winning its wars. And since winners are always oppressors and losers always victims, your Brahmin caste simply switched sides.'

You are making so much sense.
Posted by csteele, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 9:54:10 AM
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Hi socratease

Q1 The Balfour Declaration which assured the European powers that a Jewish state would respect the rights of non Jews was violated by the Jews, when the Jews realized that the Muslims would never accept a minority role in a Jewish state, and that they wanted to kill every Jew that came near them.

Q2 Israel routinely ignores every UN resolution, just like the Muslims do.

What we have are two mutually hostile ideologies and competing to govern one territory. Only one can win. Whoever wins will do their best to make the other guys feel unwelcome, because their opponents represent a continuing threat to the sovereignty of the ruling culture. Personally, I think that the Jews are a lot more humane in making the Muslims unwelcome, than if it were a case of the other way around.

So, who do we support, the Zionists or the Islamists?

My preference is for the “Zionists’, for many reasons. Firstly, they have the largest historical claim. Secondly, no other race has done more to advance western civilization than the secular Jews. Thirdly, the Jews have done a masterful job of nation building. Israel is a democracy which has far more respect for human rights than exist in any Muslim country. Economically, Israel should be a failed state. It has almost no natural resources and survives entirely upon the industry of their own intelligent and hard working people. I like people with brains.

The biggest indictment of Islam is, that the more Islamic it is, the more medieval it is, and the more of a backward economic black hole it is. Muslim countries are not noted for economic, social, industrial, or scientific advancement. Despite muslim lands possessing some of the worlds most fertile regions, despite many of them floating on oceans of oil, and despite being the possessors of many of the world’s most revered archeological treasures, despite abundant natural resources, Muslim countries are noted for economic failure.

So, purely using merit as a guide, my support is to the Israelis
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 10:13:57 AM
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Hi csteel. and your point is............?
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 10:17:18 AM
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LEGO,

"...and survives entirely upon the industry of their own intelligent and hardworking people. I like people with brains."

...."entirely"?

"Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel...Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military aid..."

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 10:30:34 AM
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