Question to Foremersnag, Vanna and Philo, being hetrosexual males how would you respond if one of your children was Gay. This is assuming that you have children of course!!

Sam "the "initial indications" that a lot of juvenile offenders come from fatherless families"

First up the proviso that I don't recall seeing clear evidence that is the case but I have a similar view.

Clearly plenty of other indicators that kid's in single parent families face higher rates of harm than kid's in two parent families.

I suspect that has a lot more to do with the dynamics of single parenting and the circumstances that lead to them being in a fatherless family (family separation) than about the gender mix of the parents.

Most of what's being compared against is not particularly fatherless families but single parent or blended families. Both generally involve family separation and a variety of other issues which impact on kids.

As a single dad I have some bias towards the role of dads in kids lives, I've dealt with the system that used to expect separated and divorced dads to do every second weekend and otherwise focus on paying child support.

I keep getting the impression that way this issue is being played by the anti-gay marriage crowd has a lot of similarities to the spin and dodgy arguments in the vein of "think of the children" used by the maternal bias crowd. It's relying on stereotypes and twisting perceptions rather than a case that relates to most peoples lives.

There has been some evidence about outcomes for kid's raised with same sex parents. I've not followed through to get an idea how real that work is (is it advocacy research or has it come from credible researchers trying to get to the truth?)

I've not seen any credible evidence to suggest that outcomes for kid's with two loving parents of the same gender are any worse than for kid's with parents in a loving heterosexual relationship.

The only obvious risk is attacks by homophobes (and whatever you call those who hate but are not scared).

R0bert

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Re " .. evidence that children growing up in same-sex marriage turn out to be well-balanced individuals."
Sam Jandwich, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 4:09:07 PM

See here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting#Children.E2.80.99s_outcomes

here - http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/514477

and here - http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1994480,00.html
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Posted by McReal, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 9:16:17 AM
" ... Utter, Utter Rubbish, Philo. ... "

Well said.

In my opinion *Philo et al* are delusional fools who believes in faerie tales. In fact, I so despise people like them that I am not at liberty to express how I would deal with them.

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Posted by Ho Hum, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 11:14:47 AM

" ... This entire social and cultural game of antisexual, "spirit against flesh" education is so monstrous, so opposed to incarnate happiness and True human responsibility, that it must be considered THE primary social and philosophical issue of our time. Indeed it is the primary cause of all of our seemingly intractable cultural problems, including world-wide terrorism and ecological destruction ... "

Yes, to look at history we see in this country the filthy muddle headed churchies at work oppressing and stealing babies from the Original Australians and also even as late as the 70's from UnWed mothers.

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I suspect they did it for Jesus though.

HaHa

What a sick joke!

But our *Chinese Trading Partners* have some interesting and productive techniques for dealing with this sort of filth.

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The bottom line is this. People are naturally free to *Love* whomsoever they choose and filthy muggle headed christians or otherwise who wish others to confirm to their faerie tale beliefs and rules are best dealt with by corporal punishment.

I will believe that Christian lobbyists are sincere in their opposition to gay marriage 'for the sake of the children' when they also start agitating for the dissolution of childless marriages, the banning of divorce, and the imposition of parenting licences to ensure that the only people allowed to have children are those capable of caring for them. All of which would have far more impact on the welfare of children across the country than the legalisation of gay marriage.

Till then, I'm afraid, it just looks like homophobia to me.

Jon J,
Obviously you have a phobia to the truth. Marriage is the act of the male sperm uniting with the female ovum. It is a union of a man and a woman, full stop.. That some couples are infertile or have diffuculty conceiving or defer natural fertility you would dissolve their marriages. Then you have the hide to say ban divorce. You are truly confused and unintelligent.

The likes of DreamOn add nothing to your cause he cannot debate but rather threatens violence and unintelligent name calling.
He said, "I so despise people like them that I am not at liberty to express how I would deal with them."

I trust he never has the care of children; he is nothing more than a bully. Obviously he was poorly trained by his father if he had one; typical of the London Rioters.