its worth holding back radicle opinion
till all the facts are in

here is some media analisys
of just how wrong biased right wing red necked media can be

just egsactly how wrong
media reporting can be..so for future refereance

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/08/10/guardian-aljazeera-set-straight-corporate-media-lies-london-riots-53711/

Ah Pericles, musing earlier re your nom de forum. I remembered that Pericles was considered an eloquent speaker who "carried the thunder and lightning on his tongue." I thought what a pretentious person this forum Pericles is. Surely this character doesn't actually think he is up in the same league as the original Pericles. But I was wrong -every paragraph you write reeks of superiority and a smugness that I personally have never encountered before. It's as if anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint has intelligence a little lower than a snail and hardly worthy of your so superior beliefs.
You have to be a retired academic who is still preaching that sanctimonious pervasive academic witches brew of a Marxist-driven agenda of blame the west.
Joseph Stalin during the cold war called you western liberals " Useful idiots" and it appears that you sport, fit right in to the category of those who support genocidal aggressors, and instead blame the west and those who want to protect their own cultures and their western way of life. And while every government in Europe is reeling from the complete disaster that is multiculture, where Inmans openly preach from street corners and mosques the violent overthrow of their hosts government and the introduction of a barbaric 7th. Century Sharia law, you continue this absurd quest to pour these violent tribes peoples who commit especially violent crimes in proportions way outside their numbers in to quiet civilised western cities, while their hapless citizens flee to small towns and other even countries.

This part I really like..."But strangely, and against all the evidence, I continue to hope that one day you will realise how destructive all this mindless hatred can be. "
This mindlessness Pericles is the belief that these tribes people will ever assimilate and actually live in peace and contribute positively to their host countries"

You Pericles and your fellow pseudo intellectuals /academics / social engineers continue to push this absurd agenda of multiculture on western societies, and the out come is what you see in London and the rest of Europe today. No, not all the London rioters were black but their black gangs started it, were the majority and the whites were just criminal opportunists. This will happen time and time again, because these people have large families, will stay uneducated and living on the dole with nothing to do but to join gangs and cause crime and civil unrest. . Britain and Europe are finished.

And by the way Pericles, you described my mention of the French no-go areas " as another fantasy" Yet now you claim to have actually been there after I proved it with the actual French government list. And if these no - go areas are so safe, why does the French government list them and warn tourists about them? Actually Pericles I hate to use the "L" word but I can see why you would say that you have actually been there to cover your embarrassment.

As for Daniel Pipes. No we should listen to Pilger, Chomsky, Irene Khan and the rest of the western hating Marxist ratbags eh Pericles?

And in Australia.. Tim Priest in an article for Quadrant Jan.-Feb. 2004, "The Rise of Middle Eastern Crime in Australia". His wrote of his own experience 'on the beat' which confirmed that "the rise of Middle Eastern organised crime in Sydney will have an impact on our society unlike anything yet seen. But the corruption and decay is much deeper than that. Organised crime, drugs, gangs, extortion, tax evasion, fraud, these have now reached a level where they are damaging the national economy. "
But of course Pericles you would never believe this.

In his book "Disuniting of America" Liberal historian Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. speaks out against radical multiculturalism. 'The rising cult of ethnicity, he argues, threatens a common American identity, imperilling the civic ideals that traditionally have bonded immigrants into a nation."

Muslims will soon make up the majority in all major cities. "Today, we have 1 million Muslims out of 16 million Dutch," according to Frits Bolkestein, Dutch politician and former EU Commissioner. "Within 10 years, they will have an absolute majority in both Amsterdam and Rotterdam. We are staring into the face of a shortly to be divided community. Muslims have the right to their own schools, so there is no teaching of evolution, gay teachers are not tolerated but anti-Semitism is." A researcher for the Netherlands Ministry for Immigration and Integration found that 40% of young Moroccan Muslims in the Netherlands rejected Western values and democracy. Six to seven percent were prepared to use force to "defend" Islam, and the majority was opposed to freedom of speech for offensive statements, particularly criticism of Islam.
http://www.civilliberty.org.uk/resources/islamification+europe.html.

Kman.
Add Frits Bolkestein to the list, he's not a reliable source on Islam, don't listen to him.
Like Geert Wilders Bolkestein has "Indo" ancestry, look closely at what that might mean, do some research on which particular ethno religious group were dominant in the Indonesian operations of the Dutch East India company.
Actually, just read his speeches on Israel...no point beating about the bush.

Spot on Graham. I for one (and from an Indigenous perspective) could harp on about the injustices we suffered (and continue to) because of 'British immigration'. But life has taught me that decency and good will don't come from insular and xenophobic ideals, we all need to work out how to live together on this little green blue planet. In fact I think this is perhaps the quest we as human beings must gradually understand and embrace if our kids are to have any respect for us when they look back on these turbulent times in their old age. I'd like to think my grandchildren would be proud of me for being a inclusive humanist, not a narrow minded bigot. The white Australian policy was abandoned in the early 1970's and thank god for that!