Just as I suspected, kman.

All the product of your fevered imagination.

>>Not only can I prove it Pericles but here is a French government list through Wikipedia that lists all 751 with addresses<<

For the record, I know perfectly well that there are 751 ZUS.

What you - and the likes of Daniel Pipes - add to the story is that these are "no-go areas", where "police, emergency or any government vehicles will not enter because they will be fire bombed". I have personally been to three ZUS in the past two years, and walked unharmed through all three. I've eaten in restaurants, drunk wine in their cafes. All services - police, fire, ambulance - were operational. You know absolutely nothing about them, instead you read - and pass on as "truth" - stuff that is designed to get your fear-and-loathing sensors all hot and excited.

>>Re the cars burnt.That was during the riots<<

So, you admit that what you wrote - "on an average night in France 300 vehicles will be torched" was merely inflammatory garbage. That's a start, I suppose.

I notice also that you never provide references to anything you allege that you know about. Can't say that surprises me. I can only assume from that, that you have done some more research, and found that all that stuff about generations of families collecting welfare, and "most major cities" is also a load of garbage.

You really ought to be ashamed of yourself. I know you won't be, because your type - people who gleefully pass on every mendacious titbit that supports their prejudice and bigotry - never are.

But strangely, and against all the evidence, I continue to hope that one day you will realize how destructive all this mindless hatred can be.

And grow up.

I'm wondering how anyone can expect parents in these 'poor' societies - whether single or not, foreign or not - to be able to influence their childrens values when there is no respect in the wider society for these poor parents.

It's clear to the kids that their parents are failures, they are poor and powerless, so why bother with their values. It seems to them that really successful people, like Rupert Murdoch, don't value truth or justice. Of course it wasn't Murdoch that actually did the dirty deeds; it was his organisation who bribed police, disobeyed the laws and violated people's rights.

Did Murdoch 'take responsibility' for this really bad behaviour or suffer any sort of punishment? His bad behavior wasn't violent or overtly destructive, but the effect of his unethical publication of anything that will make money does have destructive effects on the way we value families, and other values that we all want our kids to have.

He may claim that he didn't know and he will fix what was a one off problem, but nobody in those London suburbs believes that. They believe that rich people do what they want and don't ever have to pay.

Well “Hasbeen”…

As they used to say in the old days (When there was a God), “But for the grace of God, there goes me”! But my story is an enactment of my poor old mothers philosophy, (except for the last line of course); she was a dyed in the wool CWA country girl, God rest her soul!

Mollydukes

>> He (Murdoch) may claim that he didn't know and he will fix what was a one off problem, but nobody in those London suburbs believes that. They believe that rich people do what they want and don't ever have to pay. <<

I agree.

With the rich and powerful setting the 'standards', we expect the poor to behave any better?

Different ways of screwing the average person, but lead to distopia either way.

Please don't listen to Daniel Pipes, or David Horowitz, Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders, Nick Griffin etc.
You're all intelligent, educated adults, you should know better.

Also this, how can we trust a media that treats people this way,"Have some respect for an old West Indian Negro", damn right, this is an appalling interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDQCT0AJcw

Ah Diver, the old Country Women's Association , what magic we have lost!

I was at a reunion of old racing drivers a while back. The conversation was not about what hot shots we were, but about our cancers, operations & other ailments. Took me back it did. It felt just like the CWA meetings I had to go to as a boy.

Oh, & Jay, you leave those coffee coloured people alone. In the areas of PNG & the Solomon Islands that had Japanese occupation for some time during the war, it's really working.

You will find many people of very mixed race, with Melanesian, Polynesian, Japanese, Chinese & European blood, or some mixture of them flowing in their veins. The blokes are strong fit healthy, & industrious, & often very successful.

The women, on the other hand are, with out doubt, the most beautiful I have ever seen anywhere.

Yep, coffee colour is good.