jeez james, how about a Bex and a good lie down, you're getting overexcited before all the facts are in.

Have you seen the IPCC report? I believe it is an initial report, and only the ballistics part has been released .. usually, only on TV do CSI teams work this fast .. think about it, extensive ballistics tests take more than a day or two to complete.

Now here's a thing, years ago, Constable Rodney Silk was shot in Melbourne, WITH A POLICE HANDGUN .. awkward isn't it .. you see the murderer had a STOLEN GUN!

So regardless of the ammo only being "police issue", other people can get hold of it, or a gun or whatever .. and then again you may be correct, but who would know at the moment?

Can we wait till the inquest, or must we all jump to our favored conclusions like a bunch of self obsessed journalists?

Conspiracy theories abound at the moment, and I do note the hatred of many for law and order and community, but that doesn't mean it is OK to riot and destroy your neighborhood.

There is all manner of speculation on the web about the shooting right now, by excited types .. just like you, it doesn't make it true ..ok? It also doesn't justify the wanton destruction.

The violence in London is in my opinion, partly due to years of soft policing and run down of law and order and respect under successive Labour governments in the UK, just like it is here in Victoria, we emasculated the once respected police and they, like the London police, become spectators.

Facts, eh, kman?

>>Aside from the point that what I wrote were facts as can be ascertained through Google<<

Let's have a look.

>>These minorities have huge families, all collecting generous welfare payments generation after generation<<

>>Most major cities in Europe will have Muslim majority populations within the next 25 years.<<

And your latest bit of whimsy:

>>In France alone there are 751 no-go areas... where police, emergency or any government vehicles will not enter because they will be fire bombed.<<

>>On an average night in France 300 vehicles will be torched<<

And all this is "ascertained through Google"?

I'm reasonably certain that you have simply repeated someone else's unsubstantiated assertions. Mostly Daniel Pipes', by the looks of things.

Care to prove me wrong?

I have been reading a fair bit about these riots in the UK Daily Telegraph and alot of English people are horrified and appauled at the wanton destruction by a few selfish, destructive criminal thugs.

imho remote as we are but recognising similar events sould happen here - I would support using all necessary force to protect property albeit at the expense of the odd rioters cracked head

of course, the UK Riot Act of 1714 was repealed in 1973... maybe it should be resurrected...

It had a few useful caveats and clauses ideal for dealing with rioters

And pretending economic divide is the cause is a total cop out

economic levelling, of the socialist kind, will make things worse.

It would amount to rewarding criminals for their criminal activity and no different to paying protection money.

and on that, dearest Margaret said

"I do believe that political arrangements which are based upon violence, intimidation and theft will eventually break down - and will deserve to do so."

Police patrol the streets to maintain law and order.... their job is to crush these riots

and the job of the ordinary citizen is to support the police

>>British PM David Cameron failed to say that those on the streets should be aware that the only ones allowed to loot from the British public are bankers>>

Letter in today's Age newspaper.

HEAR, HEAR!

Pericles:

>>University of Grenoble Sociology and security professor Sebastian Roché estimates around 100 cars are burned across France on an average night,...>

See: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1688014,00.html

Graham Y,
White men don't have a history of rioting over Police shootings, Black and Asian men do.
What happened when Tyler Cassidy was shot?
The White establishment and media tried to frame him as a deranged White supremacist or a "suicide by cop".
Cops shoot White people all the time in this country and to my knowledge there's never even been a protest vigil in response, much less a riot.
I'd like to say that the same goes for London, common sense would dictate that it'd be so but I can't say for sure.

This isn't isolated behaviour by Blacks.
The U.S has almost daily attacks by "Flash Mobs" of Black teens robbing, beating and killing Whites and looting stores, it's so bad that the mayor of Philadlephia has come out pleading for Blacks to stop their kids from joining in Racially motivated beatings of Whites and Asians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024223/Wisconsin-State-Fair-attacks-Philadelphia-Mayor-Michael-Nutter-blasts-racist-flash-mob.html

Now given the ubiquity of "social media" do you think that the London Blacks were unaware of what's happening stateside, not to mention on the continent where this sort of behaviour is also out of control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxxKXl2U7NM&feature=player_embedded
Notice all the people being hurt are White and all the people doing the hurting are Black? Yet the Whites in the crowd outnumber the Blacks maybe 100 to 1 and there's no retaliation whatsoever, notice the cops standing 20 metres away from the first melee doing nothing?.
Why? Because If a White man retaliates he'll go to jail for "Hate Crimes", in Europe you can't even look at a Black man the wrong way or you're in trouble.
Graham, you've made an assertion about White males, can you find me a video that backs your statement?

Bankers can be rewarded by the taxpayer for their fiscal greed,for causing misery for the populace. British MP's fiddle their expenses at the cost to the UK taxpayers, and The Head of the London Metropolitan police and his deputy, are sacked for corruption; and we ask why these riots happened.
Col Rouge gets his information from the Daily Telegraph! Sydney and UK one presumes.
Col, do you believe that Australia is not a society, as that is what Thatcher stated, and her callous indifference to the people of the UK, as come home to roost!!