Her style of posting suggests to me that Liz was pretty vicious to her ex (who may well be just as bad)and is trying to convince her conscience that she was the victim. I would hate to think that I had failed to sympathise with someone who had genuinely been on the recieving end of some pretty nasty treatment but it very hard to imagining Liz as a placid little victim who played no part in the violence and assorted games.

If anything, she has convinced me even more that we need to understand the reciprocal nature of DV, in order to fix it.

R0bert:”Anyway I'd best go dominate some women, got to keep my quota up and all that. I wonder if there are any baby seal's around to bash while I'm at it.”

You do make me laugh but you know what R0bert, I don’t want to be too weird about it but in countries that do consider women as chattels I have seen perfectly normal 'raised in the west blokes' turned into what they are exposed to daily. So if we keep telling our boys that this is what men are in Australia we create the beast. I think that is what you finally got through to me... don’t keep telling our boys this stuff.

Benk babe that was a big jump from an assumed tone to being mean to some poor man out there. I disagree. I have to if Liz aint here to do it.

It was Chaz that had a go at me but fems always have.

@benk-And you've convinced me,that if women stand up for themselves and speak out, we're labelled as agressive man haters. What you do is reinforce the patriarchal attitudes that sadly,too many men exhibit. You don't know me at all, but it's easier for you to put me in the 'she asked for it' category. I'm a very small women. When my two eldest boys were about 10 and 9, they could pick me up and move me across the room. One son's bone structure was bigger than mine at aged 8 or 9. Women have no hope of retaliation unless they attack while the heavier, taller male is asleep. It never occurred to me to engage in such violence. I could get a whack just for speaking up, or not speaking up, it depended on how he felt at the time.
I have said all along, that I abhor violence, regardless of who commits it. You and RObert choose to ignore that. I'd support anyone who was exposed to violence, by whom or when or where - no difference!
You've also omitted to reply to 'curly' questions - such as, how do you react to other crimes? Do you blame the victims? Or do you just choose to discriminate when women are bashed by husbands/partners?
When I explain or defend, I'm questioned, when I'm assertive I 'must have deserved the treatment'? You and RObert find it difficult to realise,that some men just bash and control their way through their lives, particularly if those bashed can't fight back!
What does that say about you pair? Nothing very flattering!
I don't feel so insecure in my skin these days, that I have to take on board your sexist and judgemental attitudes. When I was very young, I didn't say boo! Now, I don't cop that rot anymore!
I'm sorry if either of you have had bad experiences with women, but I'm not one of them! You are both heaping stuff on me that I did not and have not done or said!

I loved my husband when I married him. I wanted to be married to him all my life. I wanted to have a home for my kids to bring their families too - that has been denied to me! I just wanted the violence to stop. I just wanted him to treat me with respect. I just wanted him to sit down and talk issues through - he wouldn't! It was his way or there was trouble. His opinion, wants and needs took precedence over anyone else, always. No compromises, and he never asked me how I felt about anything - EVER! It was not relevant. NOW, if you think that is the way to conduct an adult loving relationship, then no wonder you assume that I deserved his treatment.
Every Attorney General in this country have united re DV-they're all males. Every Premier,Prime Minister, Territory Administrater agree with the seriousness and the work of WRD Committee/Ambassadors etc, they're all men too!
Why would all these men put aside millions of dollars into programs, policies to stamp out violence towards women. Why does the UN do the same. There are reports etc all over the world about family violence, and the overwhelming majority attest to what I have - that the overwhelming majority of perps are men, and women and kids are their victims.
In the last 2 days,two men have been charged with murdering their wives/partners. About 15 blokes(in about 10 days) have engaged in violent crimes of theft, both in businesses and peoples private homes. That is a conservative estimate, as in one case there were 5 and another there were 4. I've forgotten how many individual cases there have been!
It can't be disputed, that the overwhelming perpetrators in crimes of violence are men and boys! Not women and girls! IF YOU DON'T AGREE, PRODUCE THE STATS!

Liz:"IF YOU DON'T AGREE, PRODUCE THE STATS!"

Already been done, but you and the rest of the WRD shills have no "inclination" to look at facts.

BTW, you're wrong, the majority of abuse of children is perpetrated by mothers and DV is about equally split between the genders.

To be honest, if you had been my wife I'd simply have kicked you out. I've no time for the shrillings of shrews.

Liz "You don't know me at all, but it's easier for you to put me in the 'she asked for it' category"

You don't know Antiseptic, Benk or myself at all either but that's not stopped you from making a range of allegations about us and how we might treat others in our lives. See my post at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11280#192399 for a reminder of some of those comments.

R0bert