Wasn’t a wish, I worked hard for it and it got taken away by liars and grudge bearers. But yep I agree, such is life.

So you jumped on the word “lifestyle”? Could be young women from well off families who can’t be bothered with a child, actually sounds to me more like young teen girls scared of their parents.

France has clinics? You’d expect young women worried about lifestyle to make use of them.

Anti

How could you possibly hold it against Jewely that she was a foster carer? Caring for kids who have had a crap life sounds to me like a fairly worthwhile way to spend one's working life.

Anti I'm with benk on that one.

Jewely is also one of the most willing of the women who post on OLO to try and understand our views on this stuff rather than jumping automatically to the party line. We might not always agree but dig's about foster care are below the belt. Jewely does seem to actually care about kid's rather than use them as cover for other agenda's, something we could use more of around here.

R0bert

Thanks R0bert, Benk. Anti may well point out I don’t have an agenda for various reasons. :) Mostly these things have been happening around me while I raised children. Now that I am taking notice I’d like to understand as many views as possible and I haven’t yet found a direction. Many shades of grey seem to surround everything.

I listened to the radio in the car this morning and the minister for something – equal rights, something - was talking about women in boardrooms (there isn’t many – 8.2% now I heard). She spoke about traditional roles here being of the good worker being the male who is available 24 hours a day and a good mother as being as seen as someone who is always with her children. She spoke about more or longer (not sure) day care being needed and a parental leave thing that is on some agenda somewhere coming soon.

Before that there was a segment on girls are smarter than boys according to exam results. A friend in the car said they had heard that tests are apparently worded in some way that young female brains can better understand than young males. Then someone on the radio said something about male hormones. They serious? Any of them?

Why I never noticed this stuff before I have no idea but I blame NickJr and owning a trampoline. What I do know is that I need a variety of opinions, and facts and stats, and even a damn decent emotional outburst or two - it all helps.

I don't agree that just because there's an isolated case of a mother killing her baby or older child, that there's lots of women doing it out there, and then you lot take those isolated cases and say, 'see, there you go'? The facts don't back up your claims - that's just the reality.
The UN and other countries around the world, all have similar problems re Australia and domestic violence. When you read the articles re the aggressors, stats etc that you blokes claim upholds your views, you don't read or quote all of them - very selective!

Only this morning, the Sex Discrimination Commissioner stated, that 1 in 3 women will suffer abuse IN HER LIFETIME! The article re men's injuries and high numbers in this or that report, usually goes on to prove, that many important aspects weren't included - like choking, hitting, punching, rape and murder? A rather important part of the information I'd suggest.

Just because some men have a bad time or believe they were given a hard time in the Family Court, brings out misogynist attitudes against all women. Some are quite fragile re my comments, but then go on a tiradee of lies about me and all women. Talk about the pot......
Go back and read some of your own comments fellas - misogynist nonsense without fact to back them up!
What about all the blokes who don't support their kids after separation/divorce! Why should the kids pay for your bitterness. According to govt stats, over 90% of those parents behind in their child support are men - the monies amout to millions. I'd suggest you take a very close look at the role/s that men play before rushing to assume rubbish about me - the fact is, that my ex was a thug, a bully and a coward at home, but a model citizen outside - a common trait of blokes with his behaviour pattern - of domination and violence!

"Just because you had a bad time or believe they were given a hard time by your ex, brings out sexist attitudes against all men"

"Talk about the pot......
Go back and read some of your own comments Liz - sexist nonsense without fact to back them up!"

Nuf said really.

R0bert