Liz45, it sounds like you're one of those serial "victims" who loves the attention it brings.

Sad. I'd have thought it was easier to just get a life.

In the meantime my children missed over 30 days school each last year, I've just discovered, because their mother was taking them to "counselling", which she never discussed with me. No one thought this strange at the schools apparently, because she okayed it. Nor did they follwo the Education Department guidelines, which define chronic absenteeism as just 10%, while my kids each had over 15%, all on their mother's watch except for 2 days when they had medical appointments while with me.

The real danger to children comes when mothers exclude the children's fathers from their activities. My ex is obviously suffering from some form of impaired judgement to have condoned so much absenteeism, but the school wasn't worried, because she is a white middle-class woman just like the teachers, who knows the right phrases to use and the right forms to fill in. If she were Aboriginal and barely literate, she would be subject to much greater scrutiny.

It's no surprise she's another of those serial attention-seekers.

Liz45:"A recent article in the SMH showed,that many men are being denied leaving Australia as they hadn't lived up to their responsibilities re child support - 90% of those parents re unpaid support are men."

as it happens, the rate of delinquency among female payers is significantly higher than among male ones. Have a look at the CSA's own reports - oh hang on, you don't have the "inclination" to know the facts. As you were, then

I know, you can make up another fairy story about how you were raped by the obstetrician who delivered you, which is so horrendously common and Something Must Be Done.

Actually, come to think of it, Liz, I reckon you're just a simple bullsh1t artist in the pay of the WRD peple. I reckon you know very well that the facts don't support your claims, so you claim to have no "inclination" to examine them. you know that the logical, rational views expressed here on the subject are gaining traction, so you tell porkies to try to confuse the issue.

@Antiseptic - Well, fancy you having coming to that conclusion,rather than acknowledging the facts and showing some sort of sadness about it - it's called 'shoot the messenger'?Of course, your attitudes don't come from your personal experiences/grievances do they? Of course not! Why did your marriage break up?

As I've said before, I'm sure you don't have the same attitude re other crimes of violence, such as robberies with weapons and street violence. Are the ones on the receiving end 'serial victims'? Should the police not charge these criminals, but tell the victims to just "get on with life"? Or, is it because in your view, using force against women is defendable?
This is probably my last post for the next 24 hrs. I'm going to disengage from receiving updates on this topic. It's just going around in circles!

"it's called 'shoot the messenger'?" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11280#192396

There does seem to be a bit of shooting the messenger about. Makes you wonder who was the abuser in someones relationships if the attitudes here are any indication. BTW the following is not an exhaustive list, just a sampling.

"That is, you're an ignorant brute who probably rules those in your life - that is abuse?" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11280#192173

"you are part of the problem - you could be an abuser in denial for all I know! You are of concern!" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11280#192171

"It's called empathy! Have a shot at it!" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11280#192222

"I just hate what too many of them do! I also get angry when people defend them - in this case, three blokes! Says it all really!" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11280#192377

"You have only ranted on in a misogynist manner - go and see a counsellor or someone! Geez!
You have a serious problem with reality!" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11280#191971

"What is your beef? Go out for a long walk, or kick the back fence, but stop your assault on me! You're the one with the problem - maybe some woman/women did the wrong thing by you - I didn't! I have one more post, then I'm done with you and your misogynist mate!" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11280#191973

"That means you! What you are doing to me is reinforce the attitude of the police and the Chamber Magistrate over 40 yrs ago - this is just another form of abuse!" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11280#192002

R0bert

That is a lot of counseling the little Anti’s apparently need. Condolences dude.

“I know, you can make up another fairy story about how you were raped by the obstetrician who delivered you...”

You’ll get an OLO chocolate fish for that one Anti.

I think Liz has gone R0bert. I had to bow out myself, when I am mocked for grammar and being a mum it's time to walk, I’m starting to believe if you aren’t an abused female or a liar no one sees you as any use in any debate. :)

Have to say again thank you and you know I disagree with many tactics I have seen but there is a clear message I am getting about how we treat men in society.

Something is way out of balance although I still suspect other devious motives behind the custody laws, DV laws, broadening abuse definitions etc and any group claiming they’re doing it for the kids

"when I am mocked for grammar and being a mum" yep it's a real crime being a mum and sometimes getting grammar or spelling wrong.

I suspect that Liz will show up again, I also think there is value in pointing out the double standards, Liz won't understand but some others might get it.

That wasn't all Anti BTW, I'm the target of a number of them and Benk was in there somewhere I think as well. My personal favorite was the "ignorant brute" one - that's me apparently.

I doubt that anyone will be convinced of much just on the basis of what's posted here but maybe it's enough to get people to not always rely on what they are told. To ask some questions when something is not quite right.

Anyway I'd best go dominate some women, got to keep my quota up and all that. I wonder if there are any baby seal's around to bash while I'm at it.

R0bert