You have gotta love those surveys (sarcasm)

With question like:

'When was the last time HE hit you?'

and

'When was the last time YOU hit her?'

Basically in a court of law, those questions are leading questions. The screening questions they ask pregnant women are like that, pregnant women are never asked if they actually instigate violence.

Like the rule is, if never ask, you'll never know,

Interesting. I've never thought of myself as a feminist,
but didn't anybody else find Roscop's comment appalling?

If other men are willing to acquiesce to such an attitude,
it seems to me that the White Ribbon Day organisers
probably have a point. I can't think of any more
controlling behaviour than the potential of violence by
a man towards his wife because she didn't "have
his still hot dinner on the table when he got home from work".

Absolutely. An appalling comment. I can only assume it was meant as some kind of bad taste "joke" or the poster is a troll. Perhaps he would like to explain himself?

talisman I'd gone with the assumption that it was a bad taste joke.

R0bert

Frankly, I can’t see what is so wrong with my comment. My mother invariably had my father’s dinner on the table when he got home from a hard days work. My parents always greeted each other with affection and I know it gave us kids warm feelings. It could be seen from their behavior that they were a partnership and their individual efforts were seen to be for the good of the family. It was not about “me” as seems these days to be the way with TOO MANY women whose more selfish interests clash with rather than complement the interests of the main/other breadwinner and the rest of the family resulting in disharmony within it. With Liz45’s view of the world and manifest bitterness issuing from her anecdote and comments, I can’t image her ever being in a relationship where there was even a hint of affection.

Roscop, I see what you're getting at and I do agree to a large extent. Feminism has devalued the roles of wife and especially husband. Instead of aspiring to be the best partner to our spouses that we can, feminism wants us merely to aspire to be non-violent. The brave new Fabian Feminiat world is a very dreary, grey place with no room for personal variations or dissent.

I have been gradually coming to the view that Australia is a basket case socially. Basic human drives are not catered for in our social policy while social constructionalists of all stripes do their best to remake the place in their own (inevitably astigmatic) vision. We have little social cohesion and no sense of shared purpose.

Women attack men as violent and men eschew women as irrational and dangerous to know. Marriage and birth rates keep falling. Material wealth has never been higher, but personal happiness has rarely been lower.

We need to move from the current divisive approach which can never deliver a good social outcome to an inclusive one.

We need to recapture our humanity.

As that is unlikely to happen in my lifetime, I suspect I'll be leaving this country when my kids are old enough to look after themselves.

You're welcome to it, grrrrls.