Pynchme,
Yoy haven't listed any of the so called MRA sites, and you haven't listed any academic who has ever written an article that says something positive about the male gender.

Almost 100% of what academics write about the male gender is negative of the male gender.

The author refers to a drug she doesn't like, and then tries to infer that men are pre-occupied with sex. She doesn't mention the huge number of drugs and chemicals that have been developed by men that a usefull for women, from fertilisers to antibacterial compounds.

That is now the bigoted, discriminatory nature of so many of these academics employed in universities at the expense of the taxpayer.

Grim

Have been following this thread - to my utter mortification. You have given a fair challenge to R0bert and Vanna - neither of whom have taken the slightest bit of notice.

Pynchme quite sensibly has noted that:

>> Holding back half a population (either sex) is not going to take any society very far. <<

While I am familiar with Vanna/Timkins/HRS determination to cast all feminists in the same light. I am disappointed that R0bert cannot see that feminists are just as diverse in their opinions as in any other human ideology. How he can blame women for all the results of child rearing, particularly in a culture like Afghanistan is astounding. From personal experience I can state that my very distant father had a very negative effect on me and combined with an overprotective mother.... I am still trying to repair the damage.

Pynchme, myself and many others have detailed many times on OLO the negative effects of a patriarchy on men in general. Nor do we want to replace a patriarchy with a matriarchy - that is not at all progressive. What the majority of people want is simple equity of opportunity. What is preventing us from achieving this is the continuation of the "blame game". Now I expect Vanna will never understand that his demands, for which he is always changing the goal posts, will never be met to his satisfaction - or perhaps he does, knowing full well he will never accept anything that is offered. For example Bettina Arndt didn't meet his requirements. Maybe Maggie Thatcher is his ideal - she did not promote a single female politician during all her years of governance.

But R0bert? You are better than this.

Severin ". I am disappointed that R0bert cannot see that feminists are just as diverse in their opinions as in any other human ideology."

I do get that, my post was in response to continual blaming of men for all the ill's of society by a portion of feminists and an attempt to put Grim's comment about what women have been told into a different light. At what arbitrary point do you make the cutoff for blame?

I don't think that either gender can be blamed for the shape of society, I hope my comment makes more sense if put into context with the comments by Pynchme and Grim. Men and women have largely filled the roles that society dictates, both genders have tended to reinforce those roles which for much of history have been shaped by practicalities (and sometimes taken to extreme's by the influence of religion). Biology and technology have shaped the roles far more than anything else.

To identify the cause as oppression of women by men while ignoring so much else is dishonest and harmful to moving forward.

Pynchme might talk about equality etc but at the same time casually equates the majority of men to slave owners or the taliban makes a lie of that.
I'd like an end to the particular strain of feminism that Pynchme and from what I can see a large majority of academic feminists seem to subscribe to while supporting those who genuinely seek equality of opportunity for both men and women.

I'd agree with the assertion that feminism has brought a lot of good changes and highlighted some issues which needed highlighting but some appear to have lost their way. They have become so focused on their hatred of men that any sense of fairness has gone.

It seems to me that those who "cannot see that feminists are just as diverse in their opinions as in any other human ideology" aare not those of us who cab see much good in feminism but also see that some feminists have it horribly wrong.

R0bert

Severin,
A lot of words, but would you like to list any academics from an Australian university who have ever written an article that says something positive about the male gender.

No one can seem to find such an article yet, except something from a rather obscure university campus in Bathurst.

This does put university academics in a rather dim light.

I would think that this article by the author is simply following a tradition (ie. it portarays men negatively, without mentioning any positives).

Severin, "R0bert cannot see that feminists are just as diverse in their opinions as in any other human ideology."

That leaves room for the observation that you might not be at all representative of feminism either, let alone representative of many women. When challenged you reduce your feminism to 'equality' but your rants, for example your present overreaction to RObert, take you a long way from that ideal. Maybe you are rationalising your own 'take' on life through appeals to 'feminism'. Bear in mind that your experience of life is singular, for better or worse and you could be set in your ways.

Regardless of any of that, women are more diverse and have more diverse needs than the sort of 'feminism' you espouse could ever contemplate. Dr Catherine Hakim's preference theory is relevant:

http://personal.lse.ac.uk/hakimc/

Here is the description of what constitutes discrimination from Monash university (that uses the author as an ethicist)

"6.1.1 In general terms, discrimination is any practice which makes distinctions between individuals or groups so as to disadvantage some and to advantage others, on the basis of their status (for example sex or race) or private life (for example, religious or political conviction), or the characteristics generally attributed to persons of that status or private life."

http://adm.monash.edu.au/sss/equity-diversity/equal-opportunity/discrim-procedures.html#BM6_3

The author's numerous maligning, denigrating comments about "men" would definitely be within the area of discrimination, but I doubt very much that Monash university cares in the least.