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Religion and science: respecting the differences : Comments

By Michael Zimmerman, published 31/5/2010

The teachings of most mainstream religions are consistent with evolution.

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CORRECTION: George W. Bush (as the non pardoning Governor of Texas)

Dan,

If others and I are misreading reading you. Can please state what you do believe about evolution vs. science in few hundred words? What included? What is excluded?
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 11:27:43 AM
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Hi George,

I understand your point but would add science does necessarily agree with science. In an Euclidean world the Earth circled around the sun but Ptolemy to Einstein it didn't. Moreover, I believe the statement that "Julius Caesar had an affair with Cleopatra and that their offspring, "Caesarean", is more categorically true than to say the earth revolves around the sun.

Cheers,

O.
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 3:00:07 PM
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oliver/quote..<<..Can please/state..what you/do believe..about evolution/vs...science?..>>

i believe/they are both...decievers
science..is frozen,,in a deceptive-stasis
via..pro-fessors..pro-fressing...lies..[for fee]

how long/jhave you heard..
a cure for cancer...
is..just..arround the corner?

yet they..still radiate/cut..and people die

cancers are/the biggest-cause..of death/suffering
often..the cure..kills..some cure

[there's a joke...cure=5 years/survival']

often the cure/is..worse than the..
[well its not a disease..its..the process of mutation..gone errant]...

and it placeabo/remedy..
they have no-cure..its worse/than the disease

yet/when those doing true/science..did find many cures..
these were suppressed..and...peers..made these areas..unfundable

thus hiding/..the cure/as long-as..they rule..the roost

cancer..can be cured/..in 3 ways..by sound..
by colour-theropy..and by high alcalinity
but the/peers..dont want..cure

see..the word..human..means..monster
and the elite..peers..think nothing..of decieving..monsters[us]

be it religion..or science..the head of the hydra..is evolution

but its other heads..are the bankers/medi-sin..phychia-try/law..the list is endless.,..

basiclly anything to/do with monsters..[huh-mans]..

who are/kept..deliberatly..so ignorant
[read/dumbing-down education america]..
so/as..to meakly..do
as those..claiming authority..tell them to/do

if govt says...income..is wages..they pay income-tax...lol..on wages

if govt..says we/need..lol..more competition/in electricity...[to double its price..no worries..

the most clever[think/enron]..guys..in the room..must/be right

if..they/say;pay bank-fees..[in lue-of..getting intrest]..done
if..they-say;get your bird/swine/flue-shot..

or wait..in the-showers[austwich]..then the/sheeple..do

noting,..at aust-witch...only..one third/murded..were abrahamic/jews
who run/the media.franchise..as well as banking..franchise

[despite..the law-book saying/..no ursury/..
but-that applies..aparently..only to/your..own

so you/can..get..intrest-free...credit
while your/competitor..must beg to/get..it at 8%

little/wonder..they succeed..
and the/other..dumb/claymen..huh-man[monsters]..fail

look-at..the media/all narow-eyed/brown-eyed..blackhair/bleach-bottle..blonds..in/the mould-of;mad-doona..or..[paris/hilton]..you must/have..the-look

as models..reveal/you must..look-like..death-walking
make/that..an unachievable goal..then sell..product to/fake-it
knowing only..the dead..can look/like-that

its quite clever..what the rupert/murderocks--of the world/have done

we/have..pay/for-vieuw...
and soon..only/for..those..with credit..
or/those..able-to..get-it

its..quite-clever..how/they..put in sit-com's..to ridicule..the father/authority-figure[..peers]..to pull-it..all/off

anyhow..to whom/much..is given..much is..to/be..expected

as/usual..there-is..nothing to/rebut
because..nothing/has-been..revealed

this/..remains..a fact/free-zone

as-far..as evi-dense..
for MACRO-evo-loot-ion..goes

<<What/included?>>include..is a..funny-word
includes/including..in-clude

where..in..the/traffic-act..it says..

includes..drivers
it/means..is limited,,to..'driver's
[driver=a 'person'..driving..for income...]not wage[...

and/licencing=those driving..[ie..for income]..
and..those/subject-to..this act
[to-wit those..transporting/goods..[for income]

<<What is excluded>>the elite/peers..who can/tell..the lawyers..how to write-laws..that give//govt-authority..to banks..

or tele-phony..companies..for income..that they/dont..pay-tax/on

see..a person..is..a/fiction..created..under an/act

only/those..under/the-act..[seeking benifits/under..the/act
are subject-to the/act..[ie conmpanies/bosses]

but..they..hide/their income/under trust..or/coorperations..[to escape..death-duties]initially...now the/lie...that you-are..'a person'..[by..informed/concent]...

being..[a/person]..your equal..to-a..dead-fiction[coorperation]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 6:33:41 AM
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OUG,

About three years, ago I was diagnosed with stage four cancer. The treatment was radiation and chemotherapy. All I can say is it worked. Many people would have died. I contribute the success to science, doctors, treatments, the good health to tolerate the treatments and my immune system. In fifty years time the treatments might seem primitive but think it will genetists and pharmacologies rather colour treatments that will better present techniques
Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 8:37:08 AM
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ape-oligies..for raising/the subject..oliver

its just/we have-been talking about..mutations
and cancer's..classic-cause..is mutation

ok so/too..our professors..
making-of bacteria/resistant...bacteria

<<studies have shown/that people..who have helicobacter/pylori-infection/of their stomach..develop inflammation/of..the stomach lining,..which increases the/risk of..stomach cancer...Helicobacter pylori infection/can be treated-with..a combination/of antibiotics.>>

noting..it now..needs to/be..a combination..
because science-trysts..[and professors]..
need to make the/point..to impress/their students..
in the..evolving lie..of macro-evolution..via micro-evolution
[by..breeding..them]

but..if/the..raising-of..the truth/hurts...
lets just..point out/MUTATION..is in/the main/bad

to claim it/is..benificient..is to..distort..the reality

if its/any comfort..im sure/im nursing one-too
but as life..isnt nuthing...
im looking forward..to the end..to it all

i have anger-issues...and would love...if they/could proove..no god
but sadly..god has given..me his own evidences..a
nd thus i know i must overcome..my anger-issues..
[cause i can/only..be angry...[at him]

but he/is..the one..i can/be angry at
thus i cant get/angry..at the hoorkins/delusioning..
about physical-laws..being self causing..[thats such a/joke]

see gravity..is the result..of mass
mass is the reasult..of atomic-weight
any...physical law..has physical-causation

funny..i long..visualised..the big-bang...
saw..that/if true
there must-be..an eternity..of big-bangs
and..big-collapses..[breath-in/breath-out]

saw..all that mass..in/movement..in or out
either..in movement[drift]..to or..away from/..a central-point

saw the physical.l.[laws of attraction...
gradualy slowing the expantion
saw the change..of state..of matter..
that reverses the great implosion[pre/big-bang]..
that reverses..the inertia..[with a bang]..yet again..outwards]

saw..also..that relitivity..is meaningles
thus..so/too..time..when the whole..uni-verse..
is the size..of a full-stop...>{>.<}>..

saw god..as/the collective-all..outside..the physical

the logic/logus...that-retains..the knowing of/all
that is/reflected..into all/that-is..
[the spirit..causing..the physical]

and there/is the trouble...
[you will/have heard..of placaebo-affect]
[thats all..a new..[subsided]..medication..need beat..
to get a huge/govt..subsidy..via..industry-lobby

just as/you..would know/the power..claimed..by prayer
most of/what we are..in being huh-man..is in our mind

is..in the way..we can look beyond..the seemingly-real
[the phys-i-call]..and imagine..it better..
which is the reality..because gods-mind..formed...us..[
we are in-fact..co-creators]..enjoined-heirs..of good[god]

yes..god allowed..the physical...to/be
but we been changing..what god-made..
ever since..adam..got here

its in/the sepperation..of us/..from our/nature..[good..of god]..from
those of/the vile..turning-it..into/their..evil
even if..only veiling/hiding/obsuring..it

anyhow im/getting..esso-teric
one point..i will..further/make

see how..the usa..mort-gauge..market collapsed

how much/of that...was because/of enron..increasing the/prices
of electricity..and gas..and water..and all/other services..

[recalling insurance-cost..house/moter/private..has tripled]
yet wages..well...BEG..[apply]

let them get the/dole..
if they..[we]..let-em

morally/speaking..it sure..seems evil..rules the/roost
but we all..fell/here..for a..'life-term'.

there must/be a big..finish..
to pay-off..all this..intentional-pain
but not/..for..'them'..to/who more..will be given..

more of the/same...sham/shame
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 3:39:59 PM
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OUG,

No reason to apologise. I was not taken back in the least. The experience did allow me to see science in action. You mention probable five-year survival rates. In science, any way, it is gauged as a probability of samples based on the staging of the cancer. As commented upon fifty years current treatments might be overtaken my genetics. I certaintly did not gain the impression that the surgeons, oncologists or radiologists were deceitful scientists, as you might think. They wre all smart peole who worked very hard for their patients. In doing so, I didn't feel their techiques were deluded, though some last ditch approaches were life threatening in themselves.

Regards,

O.
Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 4:30:13 PM
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