Rusty

'The head pastor of the catholic church has in the past not merely condoned but ordered atrocities, re-interpreting "scripture" to suit political ends.'

Yes the re interpretation of Scripture by perverted men is as bad as the atheist like Stalin,Mao and Pol Pot who make up their own dogma. And yes many Pastors rely on the giving by believers to support them unlike the pseudo scientist who continually rip off the tax payers with twisted observances and deceitful conclusions. Anyone with any honesty has seen the lies pushed by the climate high priests. It was the same dishonesty that led so many of your high priest to cause panic in the world re ice ages, ozone layers and other catastrophic prophecies. Thankfully unlike all biblical prophecy they have been shown to be frauds.

Thankfully those who have come to know Jesus Christ have a hero without corruption and sin unlike all others. They unlike you Rusty don't have to twist their observations in order to gain a pitiful reward for agreeing with the 'consensus of your high priests..

Thanks Warwick for providing some balance when it seems the media has nothing good to say about masculinity.

A servant hearted husband and a servant hearted wife dedicated to each other and the well being of their children is key to healthy, loving, long lasting marriage in a society that can't keep it's relationships together.

Feminism destroyed the family? I don't suppose centuries of abuse and child molestation had anything to do with a loss of blind confidence in male "servant leadership" and the idealized (as we never were) family image. It's also a fact that non-Christian people maintain well functioning family units. Christianity doesn't own the family model.

Feminism opposes patriarchy and misogyny, not fathers. Patriarchy refers to the way in which social institutions (economy, politics, religion, family etc) are organized to uphold male dominance over females and children - and that trust has been twisted and abused. Men and fathers who want to restore the masculine image could start by condemning abuse of power by OTHER men; instead of blaming women and children who have brought those abuses to light and made escape at least possible.

I note the quotes by feminists. My understanding is that the quote attributed to Andrea Dworkin was one made by a fictional character in her novel Ice and Fire. All of the women mentioned had fathers, partners or sons that they loved dearly. Some additional quotes that they actually did make include:

Greer: "The only perfect love to be found on earth is not sexual love, which is riddled with hostility and insecurity, but the wordless commitment of families, which takes as its model mother-love. This is not to say that fathers have no place, for father-love, with its driving for self-improvement and discipline, is also essential to survival, but that uncorrected father-love, father-love as it were practiced by both parents, is a way to annihilation."

Dworkin: "Have you ever wondered why we [women] are not just in armed combat against you? It’s not because there’s a shortage of kitchen knives in this country. It is because we believe in your humanity, against all the evidence."

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If feminists and women generally actually hated men or had given up on them, there would probably be as many killings of you all as of women and children by men. Thankfully there are enough good men to forestall that possibility - PLUS, it is exactly that sort of violence that feminists revolt against.

However, even if those quotes hadn't been (mis)attributed or taken out of context; in the 60s why wouldn't people be justified in fighting against rape, murder and violence by their oppressors?

Feminists believe/d that it was possible for good, fair minded men to put aside misogynistic abuse of power in all realms - personal and public. Many men have and they don't feel that their masculinity is threatened by rejection of thuggery.

Always convenient to cherry-pick a quote or two. Here is the dotty Greer in full flight and thank goodness for editors:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4061276.ece

Greer chose to keep her genes to herself. So be it, prudent decision and no-one has ever disagreed with her choice.

FYI: "The nostalgia trap"

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0465090974?tag=sailor-moon-cosplay-20#reader_0465090974

What patriarchy looks like (video clip)

http://www.veoh.com/collection/apostolicuniversity/watch/v14439408WjWGE6HT

Jesus was a Feminist:

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Was-Feminist-Revolutionary-Perspective/dp/1580512186

Galatians 3:28