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Misunderstanding the Family Law : Comments

By Barbara Biggs, published 4/2/2010

Despite the recommendations, A-G Robert McClelland has flagged that he is reluctant to change the shared parenting laws.

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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/1016578/nt-woman-threw-baby-onto-footpath-court,

girls, girls, girls, i see we are reverting to the old, ignore the facts, when they don't suit us, routine again. Particularly when they come from an allegedly nasty man, like that horrible formersnag fellow or anti, etc. Boo hoo.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1016090/wife-charged-with-assaulting-us-wrestler

http://www.heineraffair.info/

Pynchme, why don't you try some honesty for a change? Instead of twisting crime stats, to suggest that, not all CODs, (children of divorce) end up in jail. Why don't you mention the surveys into the phenomenon of CODs that clearly showed, all children whose parents are divorced, end up damaged, by the experience. The only difference between them, being, by how much.

Why don't you mention the surveys that have shown children in male, single parent homes, doing better than the children, in female, single parent homes? The surveys showing better prospects for children in harmonious, intact homes? There is more than 2 decades of scholarly research on these subjects, international bestselling books, and you, severin, suzeonline, C J Morgan, etc, never mention any of it.

As for the personal abuse, "methinks the pot calls the kettle black", every single forum discussion i have ever witnessed on this site & others, it always starts with the left wing nuts, fauxmanistas first, the alleged right wingers & men, last. I have seen good, decent men like Antiseptic, eyeinthesky, RObert, calmy, quietly copping abuse, posting comments that are fair, reasonable, include good science, offer solutions, & what do they get in response? Nothing but viscious, verbal violence, no solutions, lies, damn lies & more of your rigged statistics.

Feman-nazism is corporatised, state sponsored, child abuse on a grand scale. You constantly claim that we are the extremists or weirdos, let me tell you that what you have seen from us on these forum pages is nothing compared to what ordinary, average, blokes on the street are saying to each other privately, to some of their family, friends, or in men's groups. I often meet men who tell me i am an idiot for trying to talk to you people, only shooting feman-nazis will work.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/12/12/the-cultural-devastation-of-and-by-feminist-women-tell-your-stories/
Posted by Formersnag, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 4:08:15 PM
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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/1016781/mum-who-gassed-kids-gets-life-sentence

You were saying, Cotter?
Posted by Formersnag, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 4:19:31 PM
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Cotter your piss and wind comments about absent dads are just that when you allow the system to demonise,ostrasize and demolish fathers as detrimental to childrens welfare.
With a little bit more insight you may realise fathers move on for their childrens benefit.
I do not expect you or anyone else to understand this phenomenom and I am prepared to wear the mealstrom.
But if you and the system tell me to f#ck off then do not be surprised when I do.
Oh and the kids, well your in charge arent you.
Posted by styx, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 8:40:36 PM
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This is a post by SJF that is worth reiterating:

According to various sources, the difference in parenting time between mothers and fathers varies from 4:1 (World Handbook of Childcare) to 5:2 (ABS). Added to this, 87% of Australia's single parent families are headed by a mother.

Given the WA child abuse figures, and taking into account that children are in the care of their mothers, say, approximately 70% of overall childcare time, compared to about 30% for fathers, then a different picture emerges.

Taking this percentage ratio into account, fathers perpetrate in 30% of the time:

1. 47% of physical abuse
2. 33% of emotional abuse
3. 87% of sexual abuse
4. 5% of neglect
5. 27% of total abuse.

… while mothers perpetrate in 70% of the time:

1. 53% of physical abuse
2. 67% of emotional abuse
3. 13% of sexual abuse
4. 95% of neglect
5. 73% of total abuse.

So, on a time/ratio basis, fathers are OVER-represented in physical and emotional abuse, and grossly OVER-represented in sexual abuse, whereas mothers are UNDER-represented in physical and emotional abuse, and greatly UNDER-represented in sexual abuse.

Also, while mothers are grossly OVER-represented in terms of neglect – which also skews the total overall abuse figure against them - this high percentage figure is almost certainly caused in part by the way in which neglect is reported. For example, if a mother is found to have neglected her four children while in her care, that is more than likely counted as 4 neglect cases, rather than one. By contrast, physical and/or emotional abuse would be recorded as one incident at a time.

So the claim made by the MensRights.com.au article that ‘while there are some abusive fathers, there are in fact a larger proportion of violent and abusive mothers’ is at best, spurious, and at worst, misogynistic opportunism.
Posted by SJF, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 12:04:41 P
Posted by Pynchme, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 9:12:12 PM
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Never-snag - If such research exists by all means please post links. The non-academic propaganda that the MENZ sites circulate will not do. Please find legitimate material.

The child abuse video is heartbreaking. Poor little kid.

Styx - Yes, your post is what one would expect.

CJ, Cotter, Severin and anyone else intelligent enough to read and understand stats and research and empathic enough to understand the social issues - it's been as always lovely to see your posts. Cya on another thread :)
Posted by Pynchme, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 9:17:12 PM
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Severin

Welcome back, since you have returned, I see that Anti has spent plenty of time thinking of you as he does his one handed typing.

This comment by Houllie pretty much sums up my opinion; "I just think it is something you'll never understand as you're female. You'll never understand what it's like to be constantly under suspicion, why men are reticent to be primary school teachers, what it feels like to be the victim of domestic violence in a world that says just for being in that situation you must have been the aggressor...."

Every comment has a context and the comment above sums up the world that us men inhabit. When someone posts something about female child abusers, the context is a world where you could be forgiven for thinking that men do all abuse. We aren't blaming women for all abuse. When Anti quotes statistics about single mums, the context is a world where far too many men lose meaningful contact with their children because we are supposed to be a danger to our kids. No-one wants women to be treated like men. Sure we get angry for being accused of sexism just for disagreeing with a woman. The context is a world where you will never be accused of being controlling, just for disagreeing with a bloke.
Posted by benk, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 9:39:12 PM
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