And what would that be Pynchme" honesty".
A bit more of that between you and your mates would not go astray.
Do you realise the damage that you are inflicting on children that have no say in your unforgiving self rightous gender position.

benk - very well said.

R0bert

Pynchme, yet another effort to tell lies for women. Well done you! Not a fact in sight, but lots of excuses for women who abuse and neglect their children - unsurprisingly, it's all the man's fault in your world. After all you've already demonstrated quite clearly that you're incapable of recognising abuse when it's the mother who perpetrates it.

The ABS has a nice little publication http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4402.0, which contains the following little gem:"The proportion of children aged 0-12 years who usually attended child care was higher in one parent families (56%) than in couple families (41%). Of the 599,000 children aged 0-12 years in one parent families, 43% were in informal care and 24% were in formal care (of these, 11% were in both types of care). Of the 2,899,000 children aged 0-12 years in couple families, 26% were in informal care and 21% in formal care (of these, 6% were in both types of care) (table 3).

For children aged 0-12 years, grandparents were a major source of informal care used by both couple and one parent families (19% and 18% of children respectively). However, for children aged 0-12 in one parent families, non-resident parents were the most often reported source of care (21%) (table 3)."

So it seems that single mum is quite keen to get rid of the kids to someone else as much as possible, which bears out my own observation.

Do you think that kids are best served by being brought up by day care centres?

The ABS also has another interesting publication i've mentioned before http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/3A8D1AA0F3AB7D66CA25732F001C94E6/$File/41020_One-parent%20families_2007.pdf, which contains the following :"The
proportion of lone mothers employed full-time was 18% in 1997 and 19% in 2006;" and "Almost half of lone fathers worked
full-time (48%)".

So, it seems that lone Dad manages to both work and care for his kids, but lone Mum can't do either, according to the ABS

Septic single parents do what they can to earn money and look after children simultaneously. Some have more extended family support, some have a stockpile of money to whittle away until the kids reach school age.

I honestly don't know what you're trying to prove with all that. If it's an attempt to counter the assumed absent father who doesn't fight for contact I suppose I can understand the motivation.

pynchme,

I don't think anyone says women do more abusing. If they have I haven't been listening. Regardless, why is it so important for you to make sure men are rightfully seen as doing more abusing? Isn't abuse bad regardless of the perpetrator.

Oh, that's right, these majority of single mothers, left to fend for themselves by the absent deadbeat fathers, are just doing the best they can under the circumstances. They need help because they are so overwhelmed, and women just have that nurturing instinct and wouldn't ever do anything bad to kids unless their were vast extenuating circumstances. We must look to support and help these women more.

The men, well, they're just acting their gender. Better tighten up the Family court Laws to ensure we save the children form the abusive gender.

BTW: So selective use of stats to fight for a cause for menz is 'misogynistic opportunism'? What is it when the White Ribbon lot abuse stats. Oh, that's right, to bring that up would be hampering a good cause due to misogynist opportunism.

Houellebecq:"single parents do what they can to earn money and look after children simultaneously"

According to the ABS, nearly half of male single parents (like me) work full-time (like me). Male partnered parents work full time more frequently still. Female single parents work full time much less frequently.

The report also made the point that "for children aged 0-12 in one parent families, non-resident parents were the most often reported source of care (21%)", which suggests that non-resident fathers are doing their bit to look after the kids, contrary to the oft-repeated mantra of the Victim Appreciation Society.

Houellebecq:"What is it when the White Ribbon lot abuse stats?"

Normal.

If we can do it, why are the female single parents sitting around doing bugger all, while still using childcare at higher rates? Why do we as a nation tolerate that? Childcare costs this country billions of taxpayer dollars every year and it looks like single Mums are doing more than their share of chewing up those bucks, for no good reason.

anti,

Well, I've no interest in judging parent's use or non-use of childcare.

'non-resident fathers are doing their bit to look after the kids'
As they should.

'If we can do it, why are the female single parents sitting around doing bugger all, while still using childcare at higher rates?'

Maybe they're at UNI trying to better their job prospects after being out of the workforce for a long time.

I don't think it's necessary to attempt to prove single moms are lazy biatches to counter that most men aren't deadbeat dads.