Foxy,

Your position is very clear, you happily turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed by Palestinians while criticising Israel for defending itself against these atrocities.

shadowminister,

How wrong you are.

The appalling acts of Palestinians and Arab terrorism
are not ignored by me. Their cruelty and continual murder
are facts. But we need to ask Why?

The land must be shared , people must be treated equally.
It is possible if the will is there. If the Diaspora Jews
brought pressure to bear on the Israeli government,
attitudes could change . Jews in Europe and America are
beginning to realize what is going on. Slowly, too slowly
the tide is turning. Israel must change, or it will
destroy itself.

We're not allowed to be critical of Israel, and when you
are you get all sorts of things hurled at you. Even though
Israel deserves criticism of the most severe kind.

The law of return states that any Jew, born anywhere in the world
can go and live in Israel. No Palestinian can. That is wrong.
Let us see humanity in the Other,
lets not start with terror and murder.
If you travel to Israel, visit Palestine too.
See for yourself how Israelis behave to the Palestinians. That
is not acceptable.

Foxy,

I cannot recall you ever criticising the behaviour of the Palestinians. Even now you try to excuse them by saying "Their cruelty and continual murder are facts. But we need to ask Why?"

Why do they deliberately murder women and children?
Why do they throw homosexuals off tall buildings?
Why do they hide weapons in schools and hospitals?
etc

Some crimes have no excuse and there is no justification possible. behaving like animals is not conducive to the Israelis treating them like equals. Hamas is still fixated on eliminating Israel altogether and killing Jews, and Fatah is not far behind and both their leaders see negotiating as a sign of weakness.

There is no indication that if Israel conceded to giving the Palestinians everything Israel gained from 1967 that the Palestinians would cease their hostilities.

While there are definite excesses committed by the IDF, they often pale in comparison to those by Hamas-sponsored terrorists.

shadowminister,

Your memory and what you choose to believe is selective
and always has been. My posting record on this forum
is quite clear in that I have always taken a stand
against extremism and fundamentalism, religious or
any other.

In any case lets leave it there. I don't want to argue
any further. If you have such a low opinion of me -
I guess its something I shall have to learn to live with
difficult as it may be.

Enjoy your day.

BTW:

My father taught me to always ask - Why?

And its become an occupational habit.

Foxy,

Perhaps you could ask why the Israelis behave the way they do.

While you claim to be against extremism, your criticism of the Palestinians is entirely lacking.