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If not now, when?
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Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 10:54:56 AM
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Lets not complicate matters - or try to divert this discussion.
The only requirement at present is that such a body exist. It leaves to parliament all the decisions about how it is composed and operates. Parliament will have the power to decide the function, composition and powers. The next stage in the process will be consultation and education. We've seen the draft - what still needs to be worked out and what our PM wants to add to the Constitution is that Parliament would have the power to decide the functions, composition, and powers to the Voice. The Voice would not supersede Parliament. Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Burney said there would be plenty more detail. http://abc.net.au/news/2022-07-31/what-is-an-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-amd-uluru-statement/101285958 Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 10:57:10 AM
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Just to be clear, were all the outstanding issues (those as yet deliberately unresolved) to be resolved in ways that I found acceptable, then there's every chance I'd support the change. But I'd need to see that the body was truly representative and accountable while being unquestionably advisory only.
Then I'd support it, not because I think it's a solution to the alleged problem, but because it would eliminate one more excuse for the authorities to ignore the actual solution to the supposed problem. Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 11:01:27 AM
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Senator Lidia Thorpe, one of those white aboriginals, is a perfect example of why we would be mad to include any special clause re aboriginals in the constitution.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 11:09:25 AM
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So far, Albanese has shown himself to be a practitioner of the Grand Gesture, covering up his ignorance of just about everything, including any knowledge of what concerns real Australians, including real indigenous identifiers.
As the former Northern Territory MP and Walpiri woman, Bess Price, told a reporter from the Australian, the ceremonies and mumbo jumbo insisted on by the Albanese government are not meaningful to traditional people. “We don’t do that in communities,” she said. “It’s just a recent thing. It’s just people who are trying to grapple at something they believe should be traditional.” Genuine Aborigines don’t recognise them as part of their own tradition. The welcome to country is a demeaning ritual, embraced by urban Aboriginal activists and their white supporters. Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 11:11:33 AM
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"Do you support an alteration to the Constitution
that establishes an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice?" Yes or No. This is the question the government has drafted for a referendum. The details about the legislation around the structure of the Voice will not be released until after the referendum. We have to establish first what Australians want. Then we can talk about what it will look like. We can go down the cul-de-sac of getting into every detail. The aim of the referendum as the PM explained : "What it seeks to do is break through what I call the tyranny of powerlessness that First Nations' people have suffered from (more than) 121 years of the Commonwealth making decisions in Canberra without having respect and without having consultation with First Nations'people themselves. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 11:28:40 AM
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God help Australia, because Australians will not