Hi Paul,

You're right. Harry S. Truman said - "Never kick
(or try to pick up) a fresh turd on a hot day."

Foxy, did not know this thread was here;
Foxy, the definition used at present on forms etc is reasonable and
as far as I know causes no real problems.
However the voice is different.
It is purpose is to enforce influence on legislation.
That is a fundamental difference.
As some QCs have pointed out if a party considers that consideration
was not properly given to a voice proposal then they could go to the
High Court.
This also applies if sufficient funds were not provided.
It could have the effect of tying up legislation processes.
Without knowing, because the details are not available, any activist,
not necessarily a Voice member, could lodge a High Court case .
I don't think legislation should be dependent on imprecise definitions.
It needs a complete release of the operational rules, secrets in this
sort of legislation is improper.

I should explain, suddenly in April the site stopped sending me
notifications. Despite it having my correct email address Graham has
not been able to fix the problem.
I tried a different email address and it still does not work.
So naturally this thread was unknown to me.

Hi Bazz,

Thank You for taking the time and making the effort to explain
your concerns and position on the subject.
However, I really have nothing further to add on the subject.
I've said it all (and given links) here to the best of my
ability. It will be up to the Australian people to decide
in which direction they want to go in the future.

For me this discussion has well and truly run its course.

Paul,

I think that you are the excrement Foxy was referring to.

Foxy,

No referendum has passed without bipartisan support. So far Albozo has been pandering to the left and ignoring the concerns of the conservatives. Unless he brings the conservatives on board the referendum is dead in the water.

I guess we shall have to wait and see. I've made it
quite clear in this discussion and in many others
on this forum that although I fully support the
Uluru Statement From The Heart and a Voice to Parliament
it will be the Australian people who will decide
in which direction they want the country to go.