WTF?

The Morrison Government had four years to act on the final report from The Joint Select Committee on Constitutional Recognition relating to
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples.

It chose to do nothing. Four more wasted years.

Mhaze wonders about his/her (would you prefer "their") ignorance. Well the do-nothing conservatives are the reason for that.

Indigenous groups have had to move this issue forward on their own.

No demands have been made here just consultative suggestions with preferred outcomes.

The voice will probably be elected. Mhaze knows this but demands a definitive answer when it is known that this decision is yet to be made and cannot be made by consultative groups.

So mhaze tries to lampoon the concept of an Indigenous Voice because instead of making demands consultative preference have been put forward.

Indigenous groups have had to move this issue forward on their own.
WTF? - Not Again,
About time !

WTF....

You and millions of others say they support the Voice to Parliament. But you don't actually know what the Voice to Parliament will look like. How can you support a concept that has yet to be defined?

Well we all know the answer to that. For many, it isn't about the facts but about the feelz. Its about virtue signalling.

I listed a series of issues that have yet to be determined. Until they are determined people shouldn't be supporting the proposed changes. If my wife wanted to change the colour of the lounge-room walls but refused to tell me what the new colour would be until I definitely agreed to the change, I'd reject the change. Ditto here.

This isn't about playing-acting to just look 'woke' but about the future governance of the nation. Its a massively important issue that is being decided by people who haven't got the slightest idea what they are supporting.

mhaze,

Sorry, I thought you may have been up for a serious discussion.

I cannot possibly take seriously your comparison about the constitutional referendum process and you inability to enter into discussions with you wife about paint colours.

This will be a process. Some have been involved in this for many years.
You appear to have only just heard about it and want to make demands. You have already said you are ignorant about the matter.

Other posts on this thread have also provided you with an educational opportunity but for some reason you have not taken up those opportunities.

Remember no demands have been made here - just an opportunity to try and meet consensus.

Mhaze I do not know you or your wife but I am sure that if she said to you that she would like to talk to you about changing the colour of the walls you would not consider that to be woke virtue signalling.

You're missing the point that mhaze is trying to make WTF (or are deliberately avoiding it).

The constitution# is the *most* important document in the whole country. Since it defines the government's powers, its wording is literally a matter of personal life and death, and the existence of society as a whole. (Yes, it truly is that important!!)

So obviously, we need to be *extremely* careful about what the precise wording of the constitution is. It is vitally important that the public know *exactly* what is going to happen to the current wording if they have to vote on changing it.

As it currently stands, the public have no idea what really is going to be changed and what the resulting new body that this "Voice" is actually going to be, how it is constituted and how limited it is. So far they've just given us broad ideas about it and general feel-good mother-hood statements but next to no details on the specifics of who, what, when, where actually runs and controls it.

Without explicit wording at the time of voting, it leaves the government with way to much leeway to insert their own wording that allows them to create a great monster of a body of their own desire. No sane person would vote to approve such a possibility.

The government, will have to at some stage, define these details explicitly. So why can't they give them to us now before we have to vote?

This "no details till after the voting" approach they're taking to get the change through stinks to high heaven and alarm bells should be ringing in everyone's head. The obvious sort of questions people should be asking themselves are: "Why is it that the government won't give specifics? Is it that they afraid that we won't vote for it if know these details beforehand? Why would they be so afraid?"

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In general, a wise person should *always* assume that the government will do what whatever benefits the government without nothing but the bare minimum of consideration for the citizen. Millennia of history has shown us that it is prudent to always assume the worst of a government. So a government should be treated as a necessary evil that needs to be constantly scrutinized and restricted as much as possible.

#This should really be plural here, it also includes the state constitutions, but this discussion is purely federal.