As it has been made quite clear by now that this had been waited for for too long, one would think it had all been worked out to the finest detail by now !
There shouldn't be any discussions needed anymore, just go straight to the poin t & be done with it. Don't let the saboteurs anywhere near this if you want to get it done !

"As it currently stands, the public have no idea what really is going to be changed and what the resulting new body that this "Voice" is actually going to be, how it is constituted and how limited it is. So far they've just given us broad ideas about it and general feel-good mother-hood statements but next to no details on the specifics of who, what, when, where actually runs and controls it."

I read an article this morning that said, anyone who says it's unclear what is proposed, is illiterate or a liar, given the proposal has been laid out clearly in writing

I'd have added a racist to the list

From personal experience I'd like to see Australian indigenous have more say in their affairs.
Wise or unwise, they need to have a say about their priorities, not some academic imbeciles with no life experience & even less common sense.
When the wheels come off let them sort it out, when the wheels stay on let them continue.
Bailing them out is no longer an option.

The disgusting and disgraceful swearing-in stunt of Greens senator Lidia Thorpe yesterday is a harbinger of what this Voice would be like. Thorpe should put any decent Australian off the Voice. Uncouth, ungrateful, unlikeable. Thorpe is single-handedly putting her people's cause back by years.

"The disgusting and disgraceful swearing-in stunt of Greens senator Lidia Thorpe yesterday is a harbinger of what this Voice would be like. Thorpe should put any decent Australian off the Voice. Uncouth, ungrateful, unlikeable. Thorpe is single-handedly putting her people's cause back by years."

The Greens are marketing geniuses. People who were already racist right wing filth say this nonsense. People like me cheered and laughed, loving it all the more because we knew we were about to drown in boomer tears

"You're missing the point that mhaze is trying to make WTF (or are deliberately avoiding it)."

I suspect the latter.

You are very correct 'thinkabit'. They've been talking about this for years and yet all the important issues remain unresolved or at least highly opaque. There is good reason for that.

You really can't blame them. The full Aboriginal agenda would be unpopular and not get through. Hence the sleight of hand.

What I find interesting is the legions who just fall into line while remaining wilfully ignorant of the details, all in the name of avoiding being called racist.

WTF tells me that I just need to be more informed to understand that all the issues I raised have been resolved. Yet neither he nor any of the other boosters of this are able to answer even a single one of the UNresolved issued I mentioned above.