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Young Israelis imprisoned for refusing to serve in the military

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Is Mise,

You just don't get it do you?

Yuyutsu was CLEARLY AFFECTED by conscription and is trying to describe the impacts in the best way he sees fit. Personally, I don't think you can truly express in words the impacts of such forceful activity imposed on you by another authority. So I'll take whatever Yuyutsu puts on those grounds - after all Yuyutsu was there at the time and I wasn't.

Just because you personally feel no emotion in regards to your role in the military, (in terms of something negative) it doesn't means others do not or cannot. Each person is going to be different.

Some will also deny, hide or brush away any emotions under the guise of "toughen up". One day though these people will fold and their emotions will be released.
Posted by NathanJ, Saturday, 29 January 2022 12:43:01 PM
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Nathan,
I experienced conscription and in a very positive way, it was a good and enlightening experience.
If it is to be compared with another experience then the closest is to be arrested probably.
But to compare it to rape as does Yuyutsu, and by association,you, is as I said demeaning to rape victims and trivialising a truly traumatic experience.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 29 January 2022 2:36:31 PM
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Is Mise,

<<I experienced conscription and in a very positive way, it was a good and enlightening experience.>>

Let's say like a birthday or at Christmas for example?

Sounds reasonable if you were to make that comparison to give me some sort of idea of what your experience was like.

Others though may find such a comparison offensive, because they lost children in terms of the military. They may take a different view.

Regardless, one's view is their view. So if you feel one way and Yuyutsu has another view here, I have no reason to question either in terms of impacts on a person and the military, it's just important to realise that your view, isn't one that fits with everyone else.
Posted by NathanJ, Saturday, 29 January 2022 7:06:05 PM
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BUT Issy, did you not actually say on the Forum.

"I experienced constipation and in a very positive way, it was a good and enlightening experience." ....not the same thing.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 29 January 2022 8:12:36 PM
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Excuse me for bowing out: I don't really want to be drawn into revisiting my painful experiences - that invites nightmares of being forcibly returned to these situations, so I am not looking forward to going to bed tonight. These don't occur as often since I escaped to Australia but they still happen from time to time.

In my immigration interview I asked the Australian consul and he assured me that conscription is illegal in Australia. I would not have come here otherwise, nor remain here if that was a possibility, even while no country would ever call me again to the army or even accept me there at my current age.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:41:46 AM
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Yuyutsu,
Sorry to disappoint you but conscription is legal in Australia and can be reinstituted at anytime by Parliament.
But that aside, likening conscription to rape is trivialising the traumatic experience of rape victims.
I’m all in favour of military conscription for the direct defence of Australia.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 30 January 2022 7:53:52 AM
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