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Diesel saves the day.

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Would you believe in that hot bed of renewable energy that the UK has become, rail freight operators are now reportedly being forced to halt their electric locomotives and revert back to diesel trains.

We don't know if that is because of shortages of electricity due to windmills not doing their job, or because electricity has become too expensive for them to be able to afford the power.

Coal fired power stations are being reopened, but unfortunately there aren't enough of them left to save the day. Unlike many in Europe, the Poms were stupid enough to decommission their coal power houses, rather than mothball them. Europe has seen a 4% increase in coal fired power generation, as much as was available to recommission.

What wonderful things are these unreliables, lets hope Morrison sees this rubbish close hand when he goes to Scotland for the current global warming junket.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 17 October 2021 12:32:21 PM
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" ...lets hope Morrison sees this rubbish close hand when he goes to Scotland for the current global warming junket".

If Morrison was worth a pinch of poop, he would not be going anywhere near this twenty sixth waste of time. Morrison is indulging in the very thing that saw the ALP lose an election they should have won. Morrison has done a complete backflip on the only thing that returned him to office. It is now being said that Morrison is admitting that Shorten was right, and we should have all voted Labor to 'save the planet'.

What a jerk Morrison is.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 18 October 2021 9:04:11 AM
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Scott Morrison is totally unable to ignore his party’s Leftists, Boris Johnson, the Royal Family, and the net-zero media-activist cabal, and stick to his position of earlier this year.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 18 October 2021 9:39:24 AM
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They weren't forced - they made a commercial decision - see https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-energy-prices-crisis-rail-diesel-b1937543.html

The UK has no shortage of electricity, though some people predict there could be one in the coming winter. The main problem is high gas prices.

The UK has at last decided to build more nuclear power stations (something it should have done years ago) to reduce its reliance on gas. Meanwhile the most sensible course of action is to invest in more solar and wind power - that may be counterintuitive to you, but it means less gas is needed.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 18 October 2021 11:08:37 AM
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Dear Hasbeen,

Bloody hell mate, don't you even read the articles?

So the UK has high prices precisely because of the shortage of an imported FOSSIL fuel and you are running this line? Ridiculous.

Thatcher closing all the coal mines means they are dependent on imports for the fossil fuel as well.

Part of the current problem is that 2 of the 5 French Nuclear plants that can supply the UK are offline due to maintenance and a third has had an unplanned shutdown.

Windpower gives the UK a sovereign source to the exclusion of most of the others and as a Brexiteer you should be applauding it.

Instead you run with your little meme of blaming everything on renewables.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 18 October 2021 12:27:23 PM
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Wind power, such a great sovereign source that without french nuclear the lights go out.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 18 October 2021 7:21:55 PM
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Steele,
Actually it was under the Major government that most of Britain's coal mines closed. Thatcher, after taking on and defeating the NUM, had no reason to shut down any more, but the shift away from coal power for environmental reasons started under Major. But the Major government (and its successors) didn't commission new nuclear power even though many of the existing plants were nearing the end of their lives. Part of the problem is that the nuclear power stations weren't very profitable to operate, partly because they were designed for baseload power (which even back then wasn't what was needed).

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Hasbeen,
The lights HAVEN'T been going out. Britain has the generating capacity, even though the gas it runs on is expensive. More wind turbines and solar panels means less reliance on gas - it really is that simple.

Britain has been a net importer of electricity from France for decades, for the simple reason that France generates it cheaply.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 18 October 2021 8:48:00 PM
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Did you know aidan that they have shipped into Glasgow, a whole bunch of diesel generators, just to be sure they have enough power to charge the battery electric cars, bought to transport top attendees at the latest COP26 climate bonanza.

Scotland the home of the UK wind power, & they don't trust it to charge a few electric car batteries.

God help us.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 18 October 2021 9:19:29 PM
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The Coalition is about to adopt Labor’s climate policy, one that Scott Morrison described before the election as “reckless.

And our system of compulsory and preferential voting means that there is nothing we can do about it with the look-alike Coalition and ALP.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 18 October 2021 10:46:30 PM
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Boris Johnson is the worse Prime Minister Britain has seen in decades. Brexit has been a complete disaster under his administration, the Covid pandemic, thousands of deaths are down to Tory incomperdence, now this fiasco. When will Britain learn the Tory Party are a bunch of nincompoops, who couldn't run a chook raffle without cocking it up.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 5:12:05 AM
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Dear Hasbeen,

Steady down old cock.

FYI.

There are 200 electric cars supplied by Landrover Jaguar which will not be going to homes for normal recharging but be topped up on site. But just so your knickers don't get in a knot: “where generators are required for charging EVs, these will run on HVO (hydrogenated vegetable oil) recycled cooking oil, derived from waste products.”
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 10:24:08 AM
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Come on SR, even a green lefty clown like you should be laughing at that bit of garbage. Just how many chip shops are there in Glasgow, & how much oil do they throw out daily. Do you really expect any but the brainwashed, who will believe anything they are told to, believe it is enough to run a dozen high output diesel generators.

It would take a huge fleet of diesel powered tankers gathering all the fish & chip smelling oil in the country, burning more diesel than saving. Still a typical global warming scam, so although highly suspect, they might even do it. Anything to fool the public.

Pull the other one mate, it might yodel for you!
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 12:09:54 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

Please tell me just how big in your imagination you think these generators are suppose to be?

I know crap like this is flowing across the pages you follow, like the Teslas the organisers were said to have purchased for the event, but so much of it is crap.

You really have to stop swallowing this hook line and bloody sinker.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 12:21:19 PM
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Electric cars as they are today in Aus are a huge scam. For starters, the energy input to making the batteries and motors means that the EV cars need to run for about 70 000km before they have compensated for the emissions during their construction.

Secondly, in Aus the electricity is still mostly from coal so the emissions from generating the charging electricity are close to petrol-powered cars.

Finally, the resale value of EVs is shocking. For E.g. A Nissan leaf that is bought for about $60 000 is worth less than $15 000 five or so years later.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 12:22:16 PM
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Morrison has the duty to be seen to please the silly ones too !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 9:46:43 PM
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Just had a few dives on the outer GBR & I'm wondering how global warming is making the water colder than it has been 10 years ago ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 9:58:07 PM
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Why are the Forums Old Fossils banging on about the use of fossil fuels? Being British to the boot straps, and seeing the mother country is in such dire circumstance, nothing to warm their cup of 'Bovril' on a cold and frosty summers day. I suggest the lads depart on the first available fossil fuel carrier bound for the Old Dart where they can do their bit for King and Country and become fossils for fuel! You never know they might even provide enough heat to warm a pork pie or two for the Lads at the Glasgow bash!

I don't see a problem with fuel for Glasgow, with ScumO' tagging along, just tie his lips to the exhaust pipe of Bug Ridden Boris and Sleepy Joe's Goggomobil, there's enough hot air in Scotty to power the thing into next week.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 6:25:08 AM
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What's Scotty got to take to Glasgow? I can hear the speeches now;

Boris; I commit Britain to net zero by 2050!
Joe; I commit the United States to net zero by 2050!
Scotty; Ahhhh...I commit Australia....ahhhh to turning off the front porch light by 2050!

WHAT!

Scotty; wait there's more...Barney and me will be taking a cold shower on Sunday nights by 2030.

WHOSES BARNEY?
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 6:52:08 AM
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If Morrison is going to follow Boris on net zero, he should also follow him on nuclear. Boris intends to reach his goal by building a massive nuclear power station.

In the meantime, Barnaby Joyce made clear yesterday that the Nats won’t tolerate any change to current 2030 emissions reduction targets. He doesn't say what that means.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 7:00:57 AM
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France has a similar petrol problem due to strikes and Germany is running out of gas.

The whole of Europe has major energy issues due to the focus on reducing emissions without a serious plan B.

You should send Adam Bent to Glasgow as he will provide enough hot air to heat the convention centre. Brown eye Bob could demonstrate how to plug in a charger.

SHY could function as a Blimp.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 7:07:36 AM
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SM,

That would be preferable to the Coalition clowns who after 12 years are yet to agree on a climate policy. Here we have a few hayseeds in the Nationals grabbing Morrison by the short and curlies and demanding billions for the cow cockies, otherwise they'll take their bat and ball and go home. AND these fools claim to be the government for all Australians.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 7:23:23 AM
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Paul,

The coalition has had a climate policy for at least 6 years of 27% reduction with a series of steps to reach the target which they are more than achieving.

Far better than either the idiots from Labor and the greens who happily throw up figures without a clue as to how to achieve the outcomes without screwing the economy.

In the interim China and India are happily building coal-fired boilers as fast as they can and even if all the developed countries reach net-zero it will have little effect.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 11:59:10 AM
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Thank god for Barnaby. Don't go soft on it mate, keep the country solvent.

Given a year or two, the Poms & the EU clowns will be here, begging bowl in hand, asking for some of our coal.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 12:49:51 PM
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G'day SM

Australia's 2030 target of 26%-28% CO2 emissions reductions is one of the lowest among OECD countries, with much higher commitments from US, Britain and Europe etc. In 2019 OECD warned that Australia was in danger of not reaching even our very modest target by 2030. Add to that "chook without a head" response from the Coalition in relation to net zero by 2050 and you can see why Australia is viewed as a underperforming developed nation when it comes to emission reduction.

The irony is the vast majority of Liberal MPs, most Nationals and the big majority of the nation will support a plan which commits Australia to a 45% reduction by 2030, and net zero by 2050. Australia is perfectly placed to become a leader in renewable energy. Some conservatives who support fossil fuel production are like the guy selling 'spats and straw hats' they think the market is going to be there forever, coal will end up like asbestos, because of the inherent danger of the product we'll have plenty in the ground, but no one to sell it to.

The Nationals need to stop the division they are attempting to create between country and city, across party lines. Presenting the bushy as the "Noble Cow Cocky" battling the elements and the latte sipping city set who don't have a care in the world, and plenty of time to make it tough for the poor bushy. That is not the truth, and there is no reason for Australian's to pay out billions to appease their BS.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 21 October 2021 6:42:39 AM
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Nothing will change by 2050 if Universities don't cease to have stupidity as part of the curriculum !
Let's face it, every single decision made by Bureaucracy is made by people who got the job because they have a degree. No degree, no job in the Public Service bureaucracy. !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 21 October 2021 6:53:09 AM
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So Paul, you clearly admit that the coalition has had a plan for some time contrary to what you claimed earlier, it just that it wasn't the number the greens want.

Secondly, Australia is just about the only country on track to meet or exceed the targets set. It is very easy for Labor and the greens to make promises for 40 years in the future that they will never be held to. As for most liberals supporting 45% by 2030, the closest I could find was 40% by 2035.

As for coal becoming unsellable, I notice that it is getting record prices and China is still building coal generation.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 21 October 2021 11:38:11 AM
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Yes Paul, Australia is perfectly placed to become a leader in renewable energy. Of course if we did we could become the first, rather than the UK & Germany, to have the lights go dark. You want to shut up about such suggestions, more people every day are realising that is the actual objective of the green blob.

Yes again, some day we won't need to mine coal, either for it's heating ability, or it's raw material supply for chemicals, but that won't be while any of us or our grand kids are still here. Only a total dill wants to have the most coal left in the ground when that day happens, so mine baby mine, while the market is so buoyant.

With the way the sun is going, & if CO2 has even a smidgen of global warming capacity, I can see the day when we will be burning all those minor coal seams, uneconomical to mine, in situ, hoping to generate a little warming CO2.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 21 October 2021 12:35:27 PM
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Well not only is the Glascow Climate Conference using deisel generators they are serving a diet of all plant based food as all red meats are part of the climate problem. Australian Farmers of beef and pork have not been included in the discussions of Net Zero emmissions by 2050. So not only the gas BBQ goes but the steak and sausages also.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 25 October 2021 7:50:49 PM
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