Newspoll shows that over 50%of Australians claim to want 100% renewable energy by 2050. Only 30% have the nous to realise that coal and gas will be needed to back up unreliable wind and solar. But, nobody wants to pay for it: or, at most, they are prepared to pay an extra one dollar a day for electricity.

It is thought by these believers of fairy tales that “clever decisions” will keep the price down!

Energy economist, Alan Moran, says that it will be very expensive to reach zero emissions by 2050. The only option is nuclear - and that would be “twice the cost of coal and gas”.

We have already subsidised the fairy tale renewables to the tune of $10 billion to allow them to charge us more for electricity, wreck our industries, and kill off employment.

Can’t put it any better than that.

Panic is a crude animal instinct built in as a survival strategy.
Unfortunately for us as a society, panic is now promoted as a good trait.
And it’s the trait in human thinking processes which is promoted on social media platforms, forcing the herd into randomly unpredictable directions with undesirable outcomes related to the good of all in the end.

The Chinese appear before us now as the wisest of all, controlling social media ruthlessly, and for good reason.

Dan

quote- "The Chinese appear before us now as the wisest of all, controlling social media ruthlessly, and for good reason."

Be careful what you wish for DD, OLO would last about 3 milliseconds under the China internet regime. If this forum isn't a hotbed of "Picking quarrels and provoking trouble" then I am a constipated bear in the woods.
I'd have no issues with Alison Jane being gulag'd though, what a twit.

Having said that the more I dig around our brave new and expensive, renewable technology doesn't really look very renewable at all long term? More a case of out of the frying pan, and straight into another one..

ttbn,
>Newspoll shows that over 50%of Australians claim to want 100% renewable energy by 2050.
Disappointingly low, disappointingly slow. But it's better than nothing.

>Only 30% have the nous to realise that coal and gas will be needed to back up unreliable wind and solar.
That'd be the LACK OF nous, as although they're currently needed, getting to 100% renewables would by definition mean they won't be needed. And it's coal power that's unreliable - those coal fired power stations keep breaking down. Wind and solar are far more reliable, but are subbaseload.

Don't you live in SA? Didn't you notice the SA government bragging about SA having the most reliable electricity in the nation, with more renewables and falling prices?

>But, nobody wants to pay for it...
Considering how much electricity already costs, this is understandable.

>It is thought by these believers of fairy tales that “clever decisions” will keep the price down!
Considering stupid decisions have previously kept the price up, that's a reasonable conclusion. Renewables have a different cost structure, and we should be able to exploit that.

Is your "believers of fairy tales" jibe due to your own failure to comprehend that? Or is it merely intellectual dishonesty?

If we restrict ourselves to nuclear, of course it's going to cost a lot. But with solar and wind it can be done far more cheaply. A decade ago it was uncertain how solar and wind power could do the job, but now it has become clear: we need a massive overbuild of solar and wind power generators, with electrolysers (producing hydrogen) to use the excess electricity. Some of the electrolysers would be able to run in reverse, converting hydrogen back to electricity at times of high demand, though batteries would more commonly serve that purpose.

I know you believe, and want us all to believe, the fairy tale that renewables are to blame for our high electricity prices. But in reality the high gas prices were the biggest factor, and the renewables put downward pressure on wholesale prices.

Today, acknowledged and respected energy economist, Alan Moran, wrote: "Skyrocketing world electricity prices stem from renewable energy policies".

For me, that beats any ideological tripe from some anonymous poster who has no qualifications whatsoever in the area.

Nowhere in the world does wind and solar generation exist without huge taxpayer subsidies. And the subsidies will need to continue to save from embarrassment lying politicians and scamming carpetbaggers. Big Government - taxpayer money on top of high power prices - is essential to the continuation of the rip off renewable energy. It simply cannot survive otherwise.

Aiden, I loved your line about reduced wholesale electricity prices! Good one! That is the whole point. Renewables have more than doubled our prices and the generators will not give us any savings as they see that as theirs. Despite all the billions given in subsidies and outright gifts to these crooks.