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The Forum > General Discussion > The Nazis Next Door: Part One. 60 Minutes - channel 9, - 8.30pm 15/08/2021.

The Nazis Next Door: Part One. 60 Minutes - channel 9, - 8.30pm 15/08/2021.

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Is Mise,

The differences between the two swastikas?

The differences are what they represent and mean to people:

The Nazi swastika became a symbol of hatred and fear in the
20th century - so wedded to the poisonous ideology of hate
that today it is reviled in the West and is banned in certain countries.

Whereas the swastika in the East remains popular within
Buddhist and Hindu society. It is an auspicious and sacred
symbol. No one is suggesting it be banned.

The swastika is a prime example of how one symbol can
have entirely different meanings in different cultures.
Care must be taken always to judge symbols in context.

Hi AC,

Let me get this straight. Are you comparing these neo-Nazis
to the global "Black Lives Matter" movement that arose in
the US? One group preaches hatred and advocates violence
and the other is seeking justice and a level playing
field. I guess the choice is yours as to how you view
things, and who you want to support. Perhaps watching
the program on 60 Minutes tonight might clarify things for
you.

As far as I know most white men in this country are not
abused, and exclusively policed by law enforcement officers
as the black people are in the US. They're not beaten,
punished, and often killed. They don't suffer systemic
racism at the core of their criminal legal system. Most
whites don't suffer racism and human rights violations
in this country.

Virginia Haussegger pointed out that we have a country where
white privilege rules. That "our federal Parliament is
overwhelmingly run by white men who hold the majority of
power, influence, and key decision-making roles. They
dominate among state premiers and chief ministers, across all
defence forces, our judiciary academia, local government, and
across all religious denominations."

She said that "white men rule the majority of Australia's
publicly listed companies, they overwhelmingly control the
boards, our financial institutions, and our banks, and they
operate in workplace environments that severely lack
gender and ethnic diversity. What's more they get paid more
than any one else to do it."
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 22 August 2021 1:09:21 PM
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cont'd ...

AC,

To suggest that white men are somehow missing out
is daft. And has a heavy whiff of racism and prejudice.

Australia's sense of national community has been founded on
a solidarity that shuns diversity so your views don't come
as a surprise. And today Australia's major institutions,
including as already mentioned, politics, higher
education, media, the arts, and the public service all
still fail to reflect the massive demographic shift in
recent years.

"Not all migrant minority communities enjoy the same
level of respect, equality, freedom, and opportunity as
the wider white Australian population. If this was the
case, then a truly successful multi-cultural nation would
look very different."

It is nothing short of embarrassing
that in modern-day Australia almost all
senior roles in government or business
are held by white men.

The true extent of Australia's "fair-go" mantra will not
depend in the future so much on the transmission of older
values and symbols to newer more diverse Australians.

Rather it will depend fundamentally on their life experiences
in employment, and education, being free of white privilege.
This will determine whether they truly believe there's a
level playing field.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 22 August 2021 1:22:03 PM
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Liberal Party power broker Eric Abetz has family links to Nazi Germany. Abetz great-uncle Heinrich Otto Abetz was Hitler's ambassador to Paris and a convicted Nazi war criminal. "Depending on who you want to believe, he was one of the people that helped exterminate a number, or huge numbers, of Jews," The Abetz family fled Europe and settled in Tasmania in 1961. Eric spoke German at home and English at school. Eric Abetz is considered part of the right wing of the Liberal Party.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 22 August 2021 2:07:09 PM
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In reference to Foxy and Paul1405 the following links might be relevant. The Identity Politics and Feminist archetypes are "interesting".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efA6B2EKLN4

Deterritorialization could be a way of literal deterritorialization of ethnicities in a similar way to internationally displaced persons such as the Hebrew's experienced for thousand's of years. Foxy seems to be an advocate of such policies- look forward to Foxy appearing on the "Hebrew ADL's" list soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterritorialization
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 22 August 2021 3:09:43 PM
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Dear Paul,

The son of a friend of ours is the Chief of
Staff for Eric Abetz. So I knew about the Senator's
family history. His great uncle was Hitler's
Ambassador to Paris and a convicted war criminal.

His great uncle died when Senator Abetz was just a baby.
The Senator grew up knowing his family history.
A knowledge that helped shape his own world view.

"I would seek to judge people not on the basis of who
their distant relatives may be but on how they behave
themselves," he said.

If you're of German origin, you're an easy target.

My daughter-in-law is German. Her parents and brother
still live in Germany. She's from Braunsweig. My father
spoke German fluently.

I can't remember the exact quote - but there's something
about the sins of our forefathers should not be transferred
to their children.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 22 August 2021 3:23:36 PM
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cont'd ...

My apologies for the typo. I spelt Braunschweig
incorrectly.

I shall try to find the appropriate quote about the
sins of the forefathers.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 22 August 2021 3:34:26 PM
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