Or be sacked! Following the admission that he had been trolling women on the internet, LNP member Andrew Laming was forced by Scott Morrison to stand up in parliament and apologise. Then Laming was ordered to go on sick leave at taxpayers expense and seek counselling for his "problems". With in twenty four hours Laming was questioning what he was apologising about, claiming the issue was now turning into harassment of himself. Laming then admitted to "Up-Skirting", where he took a picture of a woman at her workplace, from bending while she was bending over stacking a fridge, he took the picture without her knowledge or consent. The woman along with a witness have since lodged a formal complaint with police, as the practice of "up-skirting" is a criminal offence. Laming admits to taking the picture but claims it wasn't, an act of a criminal nature, then a pervert might well say that.

Would this kind of behaviour be tolerated in any other workplace? The question is, why is Morrison protecting Laming, could it have more to do with the governments one seat majority than showing respect and empathy for women. Is the cabinet reshuffle, with claims of promoting women and making women's issues a top priority real, or is it simply a political smoke and mirrors job on Morrisons part, as demonstrated by Morrisons cynical protection of Laming.

Careful, if a complaint has been made to police they may have acted
so watch that you do not get into a contempt of court situation.

HE HAS TO GO AND I JUST SAW A NEWS ITEM SAYING HE IS UNDER POLICE INVESTIGATION.

I think he might get charged for breaching LNP deviancy standards.

Hi. Paul,

Lemming will. Not. Contest. The. Next. Election.

His. Reputation. Is. Questionable. However. Let’s. wait. Until
The. Police. Investigation..

It. Is. Also. Up. To. The. Party. To. Deal. With the. Man.

Get over it! The idiot will not be contesting the next election - the weak, wet PM will be able to slip in a girly if the party lets him - and he has done nothing that would get him kicked out.

You left wing donkeys are just desperate to have something to whine about it. Be content that the Coalition has pretty much done its dash, and you will have to spend your time defending an Albanese government before much longer.

Paul, I. Am. Not. Sure. That. Lemming. Can. Legally. Be
Made. To. Resign.

He. Was. Officially. Elected. And. Can. Serve. Out. His. Term.

But. I. May. Be. Wrong.

Anyone. Know?

As a Coalition supporter I would like to see him just sacked right now !
The PM should be able to replace him with a decent/mature person.

individual,

Ha ha ha ha ha . . . . . Where are you going to find a decent mature person in the LNP.

They all look like a bunch of sexual deviants to me.

The fact is Laming can sit in the parliament as a "leper" ostracised be the members, even those of his own party. Simply sitting there with his snout in the taxpayer trough, sucking up as much of the swill as he can, something he has done for years. Should he refuse to resign, and sit on the cross bench, then the government can refuse to accept his vote. The easy way is for a government member to vote the opposite way to Laming thus neutralising his vote, something Morrison would be loth to do considering his government would be in the minority. Labor of course should refuse to grant Laming a pair, that is when Laming's not there his Labor pair does not vote as well, its only a gentlemen's agreement and the Coalition in the past has refused Labor members a pairing at times. Of course the noble Andrew, the "up-skirter", could simply resign from parliament and force a by-election.

Paul1405,

It could go something like this:

Ring! Ring! Ring!

"Hello."

"Jen Jen! Guess who's coming to dinner."

"Ah . . . . . Donald Trump?"

"No ,no, even better . . . . . . It's The Lemming! So set the table and we'll order in some Gina Lollobrigida pizzas with the Lot - it's his favorite."

Paul I have changed my mind.

I think laming should resign.

It may influence others to think twice.

Maybe the lady involved should rethink her work clothes !

Is there ever a man with a soul so dead that he would not have thought, ohhhh whoooo !

In defence of The Lemming, Bazz just said:

"Maybe the lady involved should rethink her work clothes!"

Goodness gracious, it's getting worse every minute.

Now that LNP sexual deviancy has been exposed for the world to see they are all starting to come out of the woodwork.

Don't worry Bazz, you're not alone. For every one of you there are another thousand out there.

He could have been a murderer, he could deserve to be hanged, but what gives anyone a right to punish his voters?

We vote in order to try to preserve our freedom, to try to protect ourselves from the state and stop it from passing draconic laws against us. In Laming's absence (for example), perhaps parliament could legislate it being compulsory to always wear the left shoe before the right, making it a criminal offense to wear the right shoe first - so where goes all the effort of the people of his electorate who voted for being able to wear their shoes in any order they like?

In a democracy (though this concept itself is far from ideal), people should be able to vote for the actual issues that affect their lives rather than for silly (and often criminal) personalities. Now if they wish to do so through a representative and that representative proves inadequate in any manner, then it is them and them alone who should replace him/her/it, which they should be able to do at any time!

Hi bazza,

The old adage of she was asking for it is no longer a good
Excuse.

There will always be people who will behave badly. Male and
Female.

However we need to educate children from an early age on
What is right and what is not.

Hi Bazz,

Nice bit of victim blaming going on there from you. Before that it was the warning of the consequence of discussion. You can't be in "contempt of court" when there is no case to be contemptible about. Classic hard right defence, blame the victim, are you on the Laming defence team? BTW a bit of a look at Laming's record in parliament, been there 17 years and other than being a parliamentary "oxygen thief" his achievements amount to a big fat zero in my book. Morrison wants him sitting there in the parliament doing nothing else than voting the Morrison way, and at the same time sucking off the taxpayer teat with a big fat salary.

Laming claims he wasn't photographing her backside at all but instead recording someone who was trying to pack more in a 'frig than the 'frig could hold. Who knows? But its a reasonable claim and in the old days we used to have this thing called innocent until proven guilty. Ahhhh the good old days. When was that?

BTW she was wearing shorts. Can you up-skirt someone who isn't wearing a skirt?

As I mentioned elsewhere, Laming is also accused of harassing a women about claims she stole from her charity. Her response? Threaten suicide. If what he said was demonstrably wrong, as is claimed, she'd sue for defamation. She's not. I think we can all work out why.

In this current environment, having a penis is prima facie evidence of guilt of whatever womxn accuse. That is unless you have a penis but also wear a dress in which case you are beyond reproach.

Demoting Porter was a disaster for future good governance. Forcing Laming to leave parliament before the next election would compund the error.

mhaze,

Actually he was doing anthropological fieldwork filming native women going about their hunting gathering activities.

He was filming 'La Femme Du Jour En Milieu' for the upcoming Venice film festival and had absolutely no idea she looked sexy in hot pink nickers.

no idea she looked sexy in hot pink nickers.
Mr Opinion,
He might yet turn out to be a member of your limp-wristed outfit !

No worries mhaze, Laming will have no problem showing the cops and the court his collection of "funny snaps" on his phone. Oh! a problem for Laming, he just launched his new career of funny snapping people from behind in titillating positions without their permission, and the girl in question was his first attempt. I suspect Laming has been working overtime deleting his whole collection of funny snaps from his phone. Strange how Laming didn't bother telling the subject he had snapped her photo from her behind, if it was so funny! Gee, mhaze do you think anyone going to fall for your pathetic Laming excuse.

Good to see Andrew Laming has signed up for the NSW National's MP Michael Johnsen's 'Get the best out of your Mobile Phone' course! A doctor was on TV and asked what was an empathy course, the doctor didn't know, and didn't know what a person forced to attend could expect to obtain from such a course. What a joke.

individual,

You said "He might yet turn out to be a member of your limp-wristed outfit".

No . . . . . . I think he's definitely your typical bona fide LNP deviant.

Well I didn't blame the victim.
However any man here that has seen an attractive girl/woman and never
had thoughts about her is a bloody liar !
If not a liar then he needs to see a doctor.
It is after all built in to our DNA.

It will be interesting to see if the police take any action as the
photo it is said has been deleted.
OK girls sharpen your keyboards and have a go at me.

Bazz,

Yes we are all human but we are not all deviant. It takes a certain kind of person to be deviant.

And it looks like the LNP attracts some of the worst of them.

You think it's something in the DNA. Yes, I think you may well be correct especially when it comes to LNP deviancy.

Do you think Soot might have a bit of Inner Deviancy in him just waiting to burst out and explode all over someone's desk? You can never tell with Soot; he's all full of surprises.

Will no one rid me of this turbulent pest ?"

...... turbulent pest ?"
Bazz,
it's just his limp wrists that make his fingers flail uncontrollably over the key board, hence so much nonsense !

Dear mhaze,

Being a drop kick again I see.

You wrote: “If what he said was demonstrably wrong, as is claimed, she'd sue for defamation. She's not. I think we can all work out why.”

Laming was quite careful with his words as most trollers are. He did not accuse her directly just repeatedly insinuated things.

"You can't be trusted with other people's' (sic) money. That's why your organisation is drying up,"

"Thankfully, they all left you and set up an alternative charity. Unfortunately for you, I make the rules and you follow them."

There hasn't been the slightest indication of an investigation into the charity by anyone, something you would think would happen if there was any truth to this.

The guy is a nasty piece of work and the fact your ideology means you have leapt to his defence shows it for what it is.

Dear Bazz,

«However any man here that has seen an attractive girl/woman and never
had thoughts about her is a bloody liar !
If not a liar then he needs to see a doctor.
It is after all built in to our DNA.«

Actually not.
Actually, this is a result of social conditioning.

DNA attracts men to have sex (when conditions are appropriate, when healthy, when there is sufficient food), not to take photographs. It also operates mainly through the sense of smell (pheromones), rather than visually.

Society distorted nature, preferring vision over smell because it is easier to see one's social class than to smell it, so by social training, someone who does not belong to the same social class does not even seem "attractive". One of the powerful tactics used by classed societies, was to hide certain body parts, turning them into taboos, meanwhile setting boys and young men against each other in competition, triggering their natural curiosity to reveal what is forcibly hidden from the eye and judging them as "successful" when they manage to see and "conquer". This is even more apparent in Muslim societies where even the women's faces are covered, or in the old Chinese society where girl's feet where covered.

This may have worked in old days when they wanted to encourage procreation within one's class, but nowadays, not only do we want to break the barriers between social classes, but procreation itself in this far too crowded corner of the universe, has become a crime against nature and the planet we live in.

The way forward is therefore to stop the fuss around body-looks early on in life, turning it all into "no big deal".
Nudity (sensibly subject to weather conditions) should be normalised and toilets/showers should be shared for all ages. In Germany where this is the case, sexual drive is at its lowest because it is not driven by curiosity.
When that happens, Laming's behaviour will no longer offend anyone, just seem utterly uselessly stupid.

Old Farts, yes you Usual Suspects, you residents down at 'Shady Pines Retirement Village', where the policy is "NO Chicks Allowed" you know who you are. Nursey is confiscating all your Mobile Phones this morning to have a look at what you been up to. Remember your trip to the beach last Thursday, well some girls have complained. Nursey will check out your happy snaps! Lookout, me thinks some of you fellas are going to be banned from the Parcheesi game for a month, and we know how much you guys look forward to Tuesday morning Parcheesi.

Paul1405,

Looks like a case of 'Evil thinkers, evil doers.'

The Forum's Old Farts are all dyed-in-the-wool LNP supporters and always willing to turn a blind eye to the deviant behaviour of their peers.

Actually, it's quite sick.

I can't wait to see what else is going to come out in the news about LNP deviancy. It just seems to get worse every minute.

As I've pointed out before, you can always tell when SR knows he's talking rubbish by the way he gets his ad hominems in before the body of his post because if he put them at the end you'd have already worked out he had nothing.
Example? His last post. Ad hom followed by drivel.

Paul asked: "Gee, mhaze do you think anyone going to fall for your pathetic Laming excuse."
Well it wasn't my excuse. I was simply pointing out what Laming was saying and opining that that's a viable explanation of what happened. "Just the facts, ma'am." Paul doesn't like facts, they are soooo inconvenient. He prefers his childish fantasies about phones full of illegal girlie pics.

Funny how we find Paul always leaping in to attack those the media have dubbed misogynist, given that we've already well established Paul's own misogyny.

Steeleredux "gets his ad hominems in before the body of his post ...."
(mhaze).

Yes. He is a shockingly bad communicator, ignorant of the fact that the idea is to get readers' attention and interest in the first sentences so that they will read on. He doesn't do that, and most people do not read on.

Paul 1405 and Mr. Opinion are similar creatures: slagging people off a target from the get go. I can't think of a better way to put people offside.

It's very rare indeed that SteeleRedux et al copy & paste sensible material, have yet to see them compose anything themselves.
Re the topic here, why is this Laming mutt still in the picture ? He should be history already not getting paid a fortune for what exactly ?

can't wait to see what else is going to come out in the news about LNP deviancy
Mr Opinion,
Australia's Left is working overtime in making mountains out of ant hills lately !
You should be supporting our PM in sorting out this mess probably deliberately created by some Leftist infiltrators, not stir it !
Unless of course, you don't believe in doing your bit for the good of all !
Laming is a Lemmon, squeeze it !

individual,

Bazz and the boys at his neo-Nazi clubhouse would like to see me disappear altogether.

What about you, are you a member of his sick twisted fraternity? Zeig heil cobber!

One look at Bazz and the boys and you can see where the LNP deviancy comes from.

Zeig heil
Mr Opinion,
??

Dear mhaze,

Being a snowflake yet again. Why is it such a feature of your side of politics, most notably when you have no rebuttal to the arguments put.

You basically claimed because someone who is a single mother and employed as a charity worker doesn't have the wherewithal to mount a defamation case, something usually reserved for the well off, she must be guilty of fraud.

That is indeed something an unempathetic drop kick would do.

I pointed out Laming was careful with his wording making mounting a defamation case even more difficult yet you called it nothing with no explanation as to why.

NEWS FLASH

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9421033/Michael-Johnsen-resigns-NSW-Parliament-sexting-allegations.html?ito=push-notification&ci=113052&si=28036895&ai=9421033

Now what will The Lemming do?

Over the cliff you go the crowd does shout!

Gotta laugh. I point out that SR always starts any fact free post with an ad hominem and he responds by starting his next fact free post with an ad hominem.

There's no evidence either way as to whether Alix Russo was pocketing some of the takings from the Night Ninjas. She says no but offers no proof. He suggested yes but offered no proof.

If you want to decide he's lying because you think anyone with a penis and who's to the right of Mao always lies, then knock yourself out.

I prefer the option of 'don't know'. Its just interesting that if the genders were reversed there'd be yawns all round.

Andrew Laming has sealed his own fate.

He's quitting politics and will end up on the
ash heap of history. In a short while few will
remember him. I feel sorry for his family.
But I doubt if his behaviour will change.

cont'd ...

Of course Andrew Laming is not going to resign.
It would cost Mr Morrison's Coalition its
parliamentary majority. The man has a long
history of his constituents complaining about
online abuse, not counting the recent allegations
against him.

But hey - he's just a bloke doing blokey things
right?

Wrong!

Time to tell him - on your bike mate!

mhaze

You might laugh, but surely by now you are convinced that he is too far gone to waste your time with his ravings?

Dear mhaze,

Well that got a chuckle.

Mate you always talk about me rather than to me when your cupboard is bare which is fine. You always seem to still show have bereft your logic is when you come up with gems like this:

"There's no evidence either way as to whether Alix Russo was pocketing some of the takings from the Night Ninjas. She says no but offers no proof. He suggested yes but offered no proof."

Which could just as easily be written as:

'There's no evidence either way as to whether mhaze was beating his wife. He says no but offers no proof. He suggested yes but offered no proof.'

Still a Muppet mate.

Steele I couldn't agree more, mhaze is the forums biggest Muppet, sorry is that ttbn, no it could be ALTRAV, no matter it might be a triple dead-heat. You would think with the law of averages mhaze would get something right, sometime, unfortunately not, the old bloke gets it wrong every time. No matter what the discussion is mhaze can be relied upon to be wrong, be it a discussion on Trump, climate change the pandemic, whatever, MHAZE IS ALWAY WRONG!

BTW mhaze they just berried SWEDEN, the country you claimed was the shining light of pandemic control. Well SWEDEN snuff it, its 6 foot under and all that, did you send flowers? Moving on how's your Trumpster's re-election going? More than 3 days have passed and there's no sign of him rising from the political grave. When can we expect the second coming of your Messiah?

SR wrote:"'There's no evidence either way as to whether mhaze was beating his wife. He says no but offers no proof. He suggested yes but offered no proof.'"

Well an impartial independent and fair-minded observer would then say that since there is no evidence either way, they'll remain neutral. A bozo (no names mind you but her initials are SR) would say, I don't care about evidence and will disparage anyone who does.
(BTW my wife is quite conventional and still goes by the pronoun She.)

The way this is presented is that the questioning of Russo came out of the blue. Inquiring minds might like to find the background to the dispute. That its not being made available to the public is another red flag that there's more than meets the eye.

__________________________________________________________________

Paul,
Still here? You normally piss off for a few days when I point out your misogyny.

Was Sweden straw-berried or rasp-berried? Perhaps the famous Swedish Blue-berry.

_________________________________________________________________

"The man has a long
history of his constituents complaining about
online abuse, not counting the recent allegations
against him."

Well they kept electing him so I suspect there were a few that were not complaining. But they don't count.

" I feel sorry for his family."

Fret not dear Foxy. With his parliamentary pension his family are well placed. I see his wife is rather supportive - perhaps she knows the background to the disputes. As to the man, well he has a lot to fall back on being an ophthalmologist, obstetrician and gynaecologist - the sort of person we want out of parliament. Perhaps he'll go back into practice.

Or perhaps he'll return to taking his services to remote aboriginal communities (where REAL misogyny thrives) like he did in his pre-parliamentary life. As we know, all misogynistic bastards devote their time to helping remote tribes!!

Or he might continue to display his misogyny by taking up the campaign again to help abortion procedures like he did in the RU486 issue.

Don't worry about Laming resigning. Some if you posters should resign from OLO; you are getting more boring with each predictable comment.