ttbn,

This spat has nothing to do with trade but everything to do with geopolitics especially the containment of Chinese expansionism.

The Forum's pro-China camp like Foul-Mouth, Foxy, david f, et al don't want us to see China sending huge numbers of Chinese settlers to Australia as part of its expansionist objective but rather to see it as one big Kumbaya-fest where we all pretend to be Aussies.

Sorry, Mr. O. I thought that they did want to see lots of Chinese migrants coming here. They seem to like immigrants better than they like Australians.

Outside Australia's indigenous people, we are all
immigrants or descendants of immigrants - some
earlier than others - but all with an experience
of immigration during the foundation of modern Australia.
Anyone who denies that denies the history of this
country and what it truly means to be Australian.
These devisive tactics and stereotyping - go against
Australian values of loyalty, democracy, tolerance,
the rule of law.
To which Australians subscribe.

Foxy,

No one is questioning the place of Chinese Australians. That is your supposition.

What we need to seriously question is the place of the huge number of non-Australian Chinese in Australia who are here to exploit the country to the advantage of their own nation-state, especially now that there is a conflict between the two governments over Australia's interference in China's predatory expansion and imperialist ambitions in east Asia and the Indo-Pacific region.

I think that China is militarising the nation-state in a manner that is very similar to the path Japan took in the lead up to WW2.

I think a time will come when the CCP will lose control over the militarists who are on the rise and China will revert to war to expand its Communist empire.

Australia needs to be alert to China's military build-up and one thing it can do is to rid itself of large numbers of Chinese nationalists living and operating in Australia.

Misop,

The CCP ARE the militarists. The people are not necessarily, or even likely.

And the CCP is not necessarily a communist party, just because it calls itself that: it's more like a vast Mafia-type political machine which has latched onto a bankrupt set of theories which some poor dumb-arses still have hopes for.

So you may need to clarify your assertion that " .... the huge number of non-Australian Chinese in Australia who are here to exploit the country to the advantage of their own nation-state .... "

2 % of the total Australian population, a minority of whom speak the Beijing dialect as their first language, and pro-CCP people are probably a tiny fraction of that ? There are probably more pro-CCP NON-Chinese people in Australia than Chinese.

Your reference to Japanese in the US at the time of the Pearl Harbour attack reminded me that very few, if any, Japanese-Americans ever committed acts of espionage or other crimes against the US: in fact, Japanese-Americans formed an army battalion which fought with distinction against the Italian fascists and Nazis at Monte Cassino and elsewhere in Italy during WW II.

So you may have to make an effort to differentiate your assertions from straight-out racist attacks on a small minority of our fellow Australians, if there IS any difference between your view and racism.

Joe

No Australians whose ancestors arrived here in the 18th and 19th Centuries occupy their minds with this 'we are all migrants' bulldust, any more than Brits arriving after 1066 do.

Both sides of my family have been here for over 200 years, and none ever gives a thought to this shite about being migrants. The only people who seem to want to talk and think such rot are the Johnny-come-latelies after WW2. Many of them seem never to be able to leave the past behind them, which is probably why they show disloyalty to Australian by word if not by deed.

Comparing people who arrived here from the 1950's, and who are still arriving here, with the mainly Anglo/Saxon/Celtic (and yes, a few Chinese) settlers who did the hard yards is an insult.