According to Barnaby Joyce he warned Malcolm Turnbull that other Liberal politicians were having sex with staffers when the latter introduced his infamous “bonk ban” for government politicians, the ban was reiterated by Scott Morrison. Joyce had been exposed as having an affair with a staffer which resulted in her pregnancy, and the political downfall of Joyce. Last night the ABC ran a public interest program outing two Liberal ministers, Christian Porter and Alan Tudge for similar transgressions of the "bonk ban". This again brings into question the abuse of power/position/authority, where a dominant figure can take advantage of a vulnerable younger female employee, even if the affair is consensual. Twenty years ago we moved on from the days when the office manager thought it was his right to knock off the office girl as being a perk of his employment.

In a late development yesterday it was revealed by the ABC's managing director David Anderson, appearing before Senate estimates, that there had been government pressure regarding the program, including Coalition staff calling and emailing senior ABC staff questioning whether the episode was in the public interest, and should it go to air. That in itself is interesting, political interference with the national broadcaster.

show just showed that a lot of men are hypocrites.

What is new? I used to work for a federal Labor politician who lost his super over sex scandals.

But the media has every right to highlight hypocrisy.

One thing is for sure, Porter may never fulfil his dream of becoming PM.

Dear Paul,

I watched the Four Corners program last night.
And I believe that the government tried to ban
it from being aired. It was not pleasant viewing
for a multitude of reasons. And it will undoubtedly
be discussed from many angles. But will it change
the prevalent culture in Canberra and the behaviour
"inside the Canberra bubble?" Affairs between
politicians and staffers have been going on for
decades. Men in power and their sense of entitlement
will continue to prevail and staffers will always
be found who will continue to oblige them.

Perhaps with more women in prominent positions as
well as more diversity in the selection of MPs
(rather than just the private schools clique) would help

Hi Foxy,

I watched both 'Four Corners' and 'Q & A' last night, its unbelievable that here it's 2020 that a "bonk ban" even has to exist among our political leadership. Its like having a written ban telling MP's there will be no shooting up in the chamber during question time. Does the local supermarket have a written policy that instructs the store manager, that he's not to have his way with the checkout chicks, and he's not to make promises to the girl, that she will be running the fresh meat department next week if she comes across and keeps him happy.

The other thing I can't stomach, is the holier-than-thou hypocrisy of the two in question. How they claimed, when it suited them politically, to promote the sanctity of marriage and their devotion to the family unit, when all awhile they were getting up to shenanigans in Canberra. I have long suspected that many within the Coalition only see women as a tool to be exploited, there is no real conviction that there should be equality of the sexes. For many in government, politics is still seen as men's business only, and you know what the women can do.

Dear Paul,

The behaviour of men in power is nothing new.
And it's not only in this country where this
behaviour happens. Look at American politicians
and leaders past and present. Things are slow to
change it seems. However I couldn't help
thinking - how much did Malcolm Turnbull really
know about what was going on right under his
nose, or was he too busy with his own problems at
the time?

The question now also is - what happens next to
the two men in question who hold such prominent
positions. Especially Christian Porter, Attorney General?
Will he keep his job? What should Scott Morrison do?

As I keep saying: politicians, bureaucrats and business people are all dishonest and untrustworthy low-life scumbags.

And the 4 Corners expose last night verifies it.

Keep in mind that Porter is a lawyer so should we in all honesty expect him to behave any differently than he does?

It would be better if ministers were relaxed and engrossed with their private affairs, rather than pouring out their frustrations on the heads of ordinary people, hitting us with their laws and regulations.

How much anguish could Victorians avoid if Dan Andrews had a nice, attractive young staffer to divert and calm him down!

Foxy,

"...as well as more diversity in the selection of MPs
(rather than just the private schools' clique) would help"

Like Bob Hawke?

Is Mise,

No. More like - Ed Husic, Tanya Plibersek, or Penny Wong.

cont'd ...

We are supposed to be a multicultural society.
Our parliament should reflect that. And also
more women in parliament would also be more
representative. Bob Hawke fitted into the old
boy's club.

Foxy,

You just said: "We are supposed to be a multicultural society. Our parliament should reflect that."

You make me laugh. You have totally misinterpreted the purpose of Australian Multiculturalism.

You, like most people, believe that it was all about creating a harmonious cosmopolitan society that would end racial and cultural prejudice.

The reality is that Australian Multiculturalism was actually the vehicle for an Asianization process during the Great Asianization Period (1980-2020) that would integrate Australia into Asia making Australia an Asian nation-state that mirrored greater Asia in its racial and ethnic diversity.

This has definitely been achieved in Melbourne and Sydney.

Problem is that it has opened Australia to a virtual takeover by China. In 1980 no one thought China would rise so quickly to be a superpower equal to the US. I think Bronwyn Bishop is correct when she said last week that Australia now runs the risk of becoming a vassal state of China.

Foxy,

"We are supposed to be a multicultural society.
Our parliament should reflect that."

Our Parliaments should reflect the wishes of the people.

" And also more women in parliament would also be more
representative."

ditto.

"Bob Hawke fitted into the old boy's club."

But he was educated in a public school.

Is Mise

You're overlooking Gladys Liu.

Woman, Chinese, Federal MP, and a former(?) affiliate of the Chinese Communist Party.

Who could want for more?

Is Mise,

The fact remains that he was still from the
established norm of our MPs at that time.

cont'd ...

Hawke came from the usual acceptable ethnic mix.

Foxy,

"Hawke came from the usual acceptable ethnic mix"

and was democratically elected by the voters; what more do you want?

Ethnic/women quotas?

Is Mise,

You are missing the point.
I suggested that if there was more diversity in the
choice of candidates running for office in the major political
parties - including a more representative ethnic and
gender mix - then perhaps this might help towards
preventing some of the problems that currently exist and
were exposed on the
4 Corners program on Monday evening.

Voters have few choices currently as to who they can vote
for - perhaps broadening this base would help improve things all
round

Foxy,

"Voters have few choices currently as to who they can vote
for - perhaps broadening this base would help improve things all
round"

Not so, there are many candidates each election and some elections we had the "Table cloth" to vote on as there were so many candidates.

Is Mise,

There is no further point in
continuing this conversation.

Foxy said it might be better if there were more women in parliament.
Then we would not need to anti staffer bonking ban, we could then
have an anti MP bonking ban. Wacky do !

Look, men have been hassling women for sex since before we were even humans.
It is the way we are all built and women take advantage of it whenever.
Now the outraged can huff and puff, go !

Finished ?
Ahh well, perhaps Labour is not doing so well because they are not getting their share ?

Foxy,

"There is no further point in
continuing this conversation"

Right, for once.

Is Mise,

So glad we both gave it the consideration it deserved.

Foxy,

If you ever wanted a clear demonstration of political bias by the ABC this is it.

An "investigation" is done into the MPs of one party only, and information that has not been verified is presented on TV as fact in spite of a clear warning that much of the material is defamatory.

If the MPs in question sue the ABC, I bet the ABC will want the government to fund its legal bill. I also bet that when the ABC loses and is forced to pay out the litigants and court fees from its budget there will be more wailing that it is being defunded.

Shadow Minister,

What rot.

All the claims in the 4 Corners news story had been
sourced and put through stringent editorial and legal
checks at the highest levels. And NO - the Liberal
Party was not targeted. It was where the evidence
took the news story with regard to current ministers
serving back when the ministerial code was instituted.

The story dealt with the toxic culture around women in
our parliament and it goes to the conduct of ministers,
ministers of the crown to be held to the highest
standards in society.

The story is absolutely in the public interest.
Stop- excusing the behaviour.

Foxy,

The shadyminister aligns himself with people like Christian Porter.

He sees himself as part of the social elite manned by politicians, bureaucrats and business people.

You the type, all the sort of people I refer to from time to time as low-life scumbags.

Shonkyminister,

The the touchy feely fellas, its a Coalition thing. The Liberals and Nationals both run a boys club, when it comes to women they're seen as fair game, play things to be messed with. Its not bias that the ABC unmasked Touchy Tudge and the AG aka "Vomit Boy," the bloke runs around with bags of vomit for goodness sake, can you believe it? We can't expect less from a mob of reprobates.

Now that Cash woman, who has form, is being investigated for being a bully. Its been shown PM Abbott was a misogynist, and Deputy PM Barnyard Joy was a bonking Barney! What more evidence do you require? PHOTOGRAPHS!

From the Australian

"Much like the BBC, the ABC was formed, and its mission framed, on the basis of two beliefs that emerged from the trauma of the First World War.

The first was that it was crucial to shaping public understanding in the direction of greater civility and mutual respect.

The second was an unqualified faith in the capacity of educated elites to undertake that function.

The risk that those entrusted would become a self-serving sect never crossed the founders’ minds. Yet nothing more clearly highlights the collapse of their high-minded vision than last Monday’s attack on Christian Porter and Alan Tudge. It is not merely that the program lacked the slightest pretence of being fair-minded, objective and impartial the ABC clearly believes such hypocrisy is no longer needed.

Rather, the most shocking element was the complete failure to ask why it was in the public interest to devote taxpayers’ resources to so shabby a purpose, after all, no claim that the ministers’ conduct involved misuse of office or dereliction of duty; the only substantive contention was that Porter and Tudge are philanderers.

Porter and Tudge vigorously reject the program’s contentions. But it makes no sense to demand that politicians be saints; if we did, Hawke would never have become PM.

Politicians and their families deserve as much privacy as anyone else, except when infringing on that privacy are vital for holding them to account.

Unfortunately, the ABC merely reflects the broader disappearance in our political discourse of the distinction between the public and private spheres — a trend as obvious in the excesses of #metoo as it is in the ill-considered “bonking” ban.

Dear shadowminister,

Are you really quoting a Murdoch rag at me?

Firstly is there any evidence that Hawke targeted his staffers? Time has indeed moved on though.

Secondly this wasn't about extramarital affairs, it was about disobeying a directive from former PM Turnbull and enforced by the current PM about sleeping with staffers.

The reason these type of relationships are problematic is the power imbalance which exists between boss and employee. This type of behaviour is not accepted in corporate Australia, why are you so keen to excuse it in our politicians, the ones we are directly paying for via our taxes? The ABC has every right and even an obligation to run the story.

However I was a little uneasy about trolling back through Porter's youth because my own was not squeaky clean in regard to the consumption of beverages but I most certainly aren't the kind of sanctimonious twat with regard to Christian values as he is. Most of us grow out of the kind of unsavory behaviour he was shown to engage in but he still seems to be at it as a Minister.

After Trump it is clear the right will just about excuse any kind of problematic and even debased behaviour from those in power.

If any female Coalition MP (is there such an animal) has anything to say about bullying and put downs of women in the government, ScumO' is at the ready to answer on her behalf. Can't have these emotional girlies typies answering questions, you never know what they might say, its all to do with the hormones and those sorts of things. Gee, the Coalition let them into the boys club, now they want to say something, how ungrateful!

Steele, shonkyminister has to quote the Murdoch gutter press, what else does he have, he got suckered into a lifetime subscription.

Paul,

Labor and the greens far more problems with their members fiddling with children.

There's a list of major political controversies
in Australia on the web dating to pre-federation times
from corruption to claims of inappropriate behaviour,
sex and booze culture.

It seems that no political party has been immune.

Foxy,

How about a reference?

Is Mise,

For you - Wikipedia.

There's that scum bucket poster, shonkyminister fella, and his unhealthy preoccupation with paedophilia. Instead of hiding behind your gutless anonymous nick, name one Greens MP, state or federal, who you will claim is a paedophile.

What is it with these Liberal MP's, in the state of free love, NSW run the hot to trot Gladys. It seems Liberal minister Geoffrey Lee, 52, has confirmed he is not only in a relationship with his former media adviser, age unknown, but they are expecting a child together. I ask, where does all this Coalition bonking take place, in the office, after hours behind the copying machine, where?

shonkyminister, can you shed light on this bonking epidemic among Coalition MP's. What sorts of questions are on the job app for prospective female employees? I can just imagine.

Dear shadowminister,

Hardly party specific I would have thought.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/former-liberal-candidate-investigated-over-sexual-abuse-of-children-20180829-p500h4.html

Paul1405,

All this bonking going on makes me want join the LNP and get in on the action.

Why should Barnaby, Christian, Gladys et al have all the fun?

And if you're an LNP party member they will even pay you to do it!

It'll be like I died and went to Heaven.

"It'll be like I died and went to Heaven"

Not if you have to bonk Gladys.

Is Mise,

Oh Yuck!

Thanks, you just brought me back to reality.

I have to admit, bonking is no all confined to the right of politics. Back in my youth, about 18 I was, I met a girl, she being about 20 and of the 'Spartacus League' variety, a gorgeous member of the proletariat she be. Well I was all for leaning the finer art of the Bourgeoisie, all while doing the horizontal mambo with her. Pity Leon wasn't better looking, after a few lessons I copped out.

Paul,

Mention of the Spartacus League brought back some memories, in the 1960s-70s I both worked with them and clashed with them.

Looked them up on the net and found:


SPARTACIST LEAGUE OF AUSTRALIA

Local Directory

Melbourne
GPO Box 2339
Melbourne Vic 3001
Australia
Phone: (03) 9329 0275
spartacist@iprimus.com.au

Sydney
GPO Box 3473
Sydney NSW 2001
Australia
Phone: (02) 9281 2181
spartacist@exemail.com.au

SR,

Very party-specific actually. Note that this supposed LNP sex abuser was not charged so either the accusations were false or misconstrued.

Note the Labor Party has Feeney and Orkopolos.

And especially for you Pauliar

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-10/greens-candidate-jonathan-doig-chaged-with-child-sex-offences/12338828

A Greens federal election candidate who allegedly paid to watch and direct the live stream of a child being sexually abused in the Philippines has been granted strict conditional bail.

Jonathan Doig, who stood for the Greens in 2019 against Prime Minister Scott Morrison in the seat of Cook, was arrested after he allegedly paid a known child abuse facilitator so he could watch in real-time the abuse of a 13-year-old schoolgirl.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/greens-hit-by-sex-allegation-former-candidate-karel-solomon-in-police-sting/story-fnpn118l-1227424205855

A FORMER Greens candidate has been charged with grooming a child for sex and having child pornography material after police carried out an online sting.

Karel Solomon, a Greens member who contested the 2012 Marrickville local council election, was arrested on Tuesday afternoon in an undercover police operation.

Police allege Solomon, 61, made sexually explicit comments to a police officer posing as a 13-year-old girl online during the operation last month.

The Four Corners program started with Jo Dyer, described as a member of the 1987 national schools champion debating team. Her claims against Porter date back decades: He was “very charming” and “very confident”. He had an “assuredness that’s perhaps born of privilege”. He was “brash, blond and breezy”. He was “quite slick” with an “air of entitlement”.

That’s it. Without evidence, we are entitled to wonder why Dyer offered gratuitous personal criticisms of Porter?

Four Corners did not mention that Dyer was a failed Labor candidate for preselection. Nor that she has said, “my political views are not exactly secret”. Nor that, as incoming director of Adelaide Writers’ Week, Dyer attacked the state Liberal government for having “no f..king idea” and predicted, “they will flog off everything … to their corporate mates”.

Dear Shadowminister,

Charged and admitted to the crimes and reading between the lines the children were known to him.

Www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/former-liberal-candidate-and-police-officer-admits-to-sex-offences-20191015-p530xf.html

So no, they weren't lying and yes the court believed them much to your chagrin no doubt.

SR,

Fair enough, but for Labor both offenders were active MPs and the scope of their crimes dwarfed anything that the ex LNP former candidate did.

Likewise, for the greens, the worst offender was an active MP and the other was an ex-candidate.

As for MPs' dalliances with staff Labor far outstrips anything the LNP did. Hawke was nobbing his secretary, Shorten while married was busy knocking up the wife of an acquaintance and the Labor MP that was shagging his secretary on an all-expenses-paid trip on the taxpayers' tab.

So surprise surprise when the ABC found nothing on the ALP when they weren't even looking.

Shonkyminister, you have nothing on the Greens, a failed candidate and some bloke who ran and failed in a council election! And I understand the charges against the bloke in Marrickville were dropped.

What about in your state of free love, and the antics of "she who must be obeyed" Big Noses Gladys? The pillow talk which could be used by lover boy to further his own financial interests.

After the Four Corners program your man Porter will be referred to as 'Vomit Boy' now that's one sick dude that runs around with a bag full of his own vomit!

Paul,

One was a pedogreen candidate for council, the other was a candidate for federal parliament.

If one was not charged please provide evidence to that effect. I can find nothing to support you considering that he was caught red-handed trying to solicit a "minor" for sex.

shadyminister,

Are you alright?

You should stop and think about what you are saying from time to time.

It doesn't sound normal.

And telling us you're just an engineer isn't a good enough excuse for the way you talk.

Swamp Donkey,

And what's your excuse? Just an ignorant troll?

shadyminister,

I'm a scholar which means I'm a lot smarter and knowledgeable than you.

You're just an engineer.

Yeah Mr O, shonkyminister, he's some kind of second rate janitorial engineer, likes to get down and dirty with the pans etc. That's why he's so preoccupied with the paedophiles.

BTW, shonky, I got that from the street news in inner Sydney, not something in your Murdoch gutter press. How's that imminent arrest in the 'Beat Up' Bolt B/S you raved on about years back? Stick with Trump, the sycophantic image suits you.

Paul1405,

Actually, the shadyminister is very well triained with degrees in engineering, commerce and business and is a highly paid senior manager in a corporation.

Problem is he thinks he knows more than what he does.

Unfortunately he veers away from what he is and knows about and starts acting like he thinks he is a scholar and a scientist.

Paul,

I am not preoccupied with the pedogreens just making sure that they aren't forgotten.

Swamp donkey,

You're not a scholar's arsehole. Scholars can think.

shadyminister,

And a big Ergo Sum Cogito to you too.

shadyminister,

I just found this equation in my Engineer's Handbook:

SCHOLAR = 1 x BA + 2 x MA

Yep ...... that's me alright.

Swamp Donkey,

At university, arts was considered an also-ran degree for those that couldn't tackle a real degree. You waving your BAs and MAs at me has the same effect as waving lettuce. The best you can hope for is my pity for your lonely worthless existence.

P.S. I have never lived in the UK.

Maybe you should return to China your ancestral home.

shadyminister,

An Arts degree is the pathway for people who want to be scholars such as historians, anthropologists, sociologists, archaeologists, philosophers, etc.

A Science degree is of course the pathway for those who want to be scientists.

Then there are the vocational degrees like engineering, architecture, medicine, law, etc. for those who basically just need to get a job.

I did my mechanical engineering degree because I needed a job then followed up with my degrees in anthropology, sociology and history because I wanted to be a scholar.

Now I am a worker like you but in addition I am also one of the country's most educated people.

In my opinion I made a great choice. If I hadn't done my Arts degrees I probably would have ended up a miserable unhappy jealous sod like you.

Swamp Donkey,

As I was awarded scholarships for both a private high school and university, I am by definition a scholar, and given the rigour of my degrees and your inadequacy in the subjects you have studied, I am easily more educated than you. I doubt that you have even had anything published.

I also don't share your misery and loneliness and don't feel the inadequacy that drives you to accumulate worthless qualifications.

shadyminister,

You are vocationally trained in engineering, commerce and business. These are not scholarly pursuits.

Being awarded a scholarship to assist financially in further study does not make one a scholar. Every research degree candidate in Australia in awarded a Commonwealth postgraduate scholarship even if the PG study is in a vocational area like law or engineering.

Personally I don't think you would be able to get through an Arts degree. I don't think you have what it takes to be something like a historian, anthropologist, sociologist, archaeologist, philosopher, etc.

Stick to being just an engineer. It's you all over.

Swamp Donkey,

I realise that you as an arts graduate are barely literate and not scholarly, but there is a book designed to help retards called a dictionary. But a hint should be in the word scholarship.

You can call yourself a scholar or even the king of the world, your problem is that no one believes you.

shadyminister,

I don't know why you don't believe me. I keep telling the same story over and over again.

I believe that you are just an engineer with degrees in engineering, commerce and business. I see no reason to believe otherwise.

I think it is a matter of you not wanting to accept that there are people like me who are not satisfied with being just an engineer. That we want to be better than just an engineer.

We can't all be like you.

Swamp donkey,

Why don't I believe you?

1 You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you.

2 I think you are even a competent engineer and are simply trying to compensate for your inadequacies.

3 No one is "just" anything, which means that you have learnt as little from the humanities as you did from engineering.

Swamp donkey (Mr 0)

Correcting a typo

2 I Don't think you are even a competent engineer and are simply trying to compensate for your inadequacies.

shadyminister,

I was one year out from completing my engineering degree when I realised I had made a big mistake.

I walked away from it but came back a year later to complete it only because I had to finish something I had started.

So personally I don't give two hoots about being a good or bad engineer. It's just a trade.

Give me the Arts things like history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc. any day of the week.

Swamp donkey,

Engineering, like many other callings appeals to those of a certain temperament. For those that are suited engineering is extremely rewarding both intellectually and financially and comparisons between professions finds engineers amongst the highest with regards to happiness and satisfaction. However, if your temperament is not a good match then as with most professions success and happiness tends to elude you.

I am glad that you find satisfaction in pursuing the humanities and I wish you well you don't have to justify your life choices, but then neither does anyone else.

shadyminister,

Thanks for letting me know I wasn't selected for the engineering position with your company.

But you forgot to add that you wish me all the best with my future career search.

Actually it will make you happy to know that I have missed out on jobs in engineering because of my Arts degrees.

Apparently they thought I wouldn't be a good fit with their teams because I wasn't just an engineer plus they don't like having Mr. Smarty Pants type people like me working for them.

But as I tell folks ........ "It's only a trade"

Swamp donkey,

I doubt any engineers that are rejected for their hobbies even if they are knitting or BAs.

However, I doubt any potential boss in any profession would hire a sanctimonious prick that tried to look down at them.

shadyminister,

Are you telling me you're not the only one who is jealous of Arts graduates?

Swamp donkey,

You are just jealous of successful engineers and only tried arts because you wanted to flip burgers.

shadyminister,

Truth is that people with an Arts background see engineering as a trade.

I was actually asked the question "Why do you want to waste your time working as an engineer when you can be something interesting like an anthropologist or sociologist?"

So true. Why be Bob the Builder when I can be Indiana Jones? Why be just a cog in the wheel when I can be my own man?

The only reward I ever got from working as an engineer was the pay cheque at the end of the week. That might be alright for someone like you but definitely not for the likes of me.

Swamp donkey,

Engineers don't consider artists to be scholars. At least tradesmen contribute to society.

shadyminister,

I think you've lost the plot. Surely you can come up with something better than that.

Although I must admit I have worked with a lot of engineers who actually think that an Arts degree covers things like basket weaving and finger painting.

I tried to explain it to them and told them I did things like history, sociology, archaeology, anthropology, philosophy, etc. and you guessed it: they asked "What's that stuff about?"

It's painful shady ....... it's painful.

Now you are just lying.

Bonking Barney, also known as Barnyard Joy, has come out in favour of a Politian's inalienable right to bonk his staff! Particularly Coalition MP's. Bonking Barney went on to say that the right is enshrined in the Australian Constitution from 1901, and there has been a long proud tradition established of Coalition MP's bonking their staff, himself included. Barn's barrister can be seen arguing the "right to bonk" before the High Court of Australia in the clip below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuh33BMZYY&ab_channel=thecomputerdude24TV%26MovieClips

Paul1405,

Maybe the Armidale Council could organise an annual Bonk Fest in honour of Barnaby and whatshername.

They could invite celebrity couples like Gladys & Dazza along with Christian Porter and the girls from the local bars in Canberra to regale us with their real life experiences.

It will be an unforgettable event.

I bet you don't have anything like that going for you in Fiji.

Indiana Jones,

So what did you get for Finger-Painting 101, 201 and 301 ? A P2 each year ? If first you don't succeed .....

Joe

pseudo-mouth,

I got HDs in both finger painting and basket weaving.

Sounds a great idea Mr O, there's little else to do in most country towns on a Saturday night. Bowel have their Tulip Festival, Barneyville could have its Bonkfest! The Cow Cocky party of which Bonking Barney is a big cheese are all for these country shows. There could be judged events when it comes to bonking like, "Best Bonk in Show" and the "Biggest Bonk". The ladies auxiliary could get in on the act as well, Bonking Barney doesn't believe bonking should be an all male affair, he likes to get the fairer sex involved in on the act at times. I don't know if you're familiar with Mabel Sawbottom, but Mabel has taken out "Best Female Bonker" for the past 27 years, some say at 93 Mabel is past her best, but not Mabel, she intents to be lying down once again at this years Bonkfest, partnered once again by the ever reliable "Plugger" Sawbottom, and watched by her 34 children.

And for labor and the greens we can make it a family affair.

shadyminister,

That quick wit of yours gives you away.

What you have is a gift from God.

You just pull these witty comments out of thin air.

And here I've been all this time thinking you were nothing more than just an engineer.