I've been reading articles about the former United
States vice-president with headlines like - "Can
Joe Biden keep it together?" And - "Biden's tendency
towards verbal missteps" and so on. However are these
indications that the man is "senile?" Is there any
evidence of that - or is this just a ploy by the
Trump team to degrade the man?

If the man had cognitive impairment then surely the
Democrats would have chosen a better candidate? They
have quite a few capable people to choose from.

In any case I feel that with the right choice of
vice president Biden is in with a chance at the next
election.

Am I wrong? Or do most of you think that Donald Trump
will get re-elected?

Hi Foxy,

Yes, I'm very impressed by some of the younger Democrat women - and by some young Republican women too, such as Nikki Haley. What I find very exciting is not just that they are women, but that they are so often of mixed-ancestry. Wonderful role-models for the world.

It's likely that Biden will win the election, no trouble, but (as many people suspect) will last only a short time before handing the job over to his vice-president, whoever she may be. After all, he's pushing eighty and Trump has shown pretty conclusively that there may need to be an age-limit on all presidential candidates, Republican and Democrat.

In both parties, there are many much younger potential candidates for president, and they give us some hope that the US is working its way out of its fetid swamps.

Joe

Foxy,

Oops, I should have added that perhaps we can't take it for granted that Trump will be the Republicans' candidate in the November election. If it dawns on many of the senior Republicans like McConnell or Graham that he has no hope, then there may be steps taken to 'replace' him as their candidate.

Perhaps he will get very sick, perhaps he will decide that he needs to spend more time with his family, or perhaps as a last resort, he does a Jimmy Hoffa.

So who else might replace Trump as the Republican candidate ?

Joe

Dear Joe,

I'm hopeful that Joe Biden will win. It is time for a
change of direction for the United States. Still
I'm not betting on anything at the moment. Who would
have thought that Trump would get elected in the
first place?

Dear Joe,

I think that Trump's current vice president would be
a better choice as a Republican candidate. As of course
would Mitt Romney - if he chose to run. Any Republican would
be better than Trump. ANY!

Pence as president ? He's opposed to abortion rights, etc. So I'm not so sure. He certainly would be more competent but also more consistently ultra-conservative than the current clown. He hasn't advocated anything, from memory, that I would have supported.

Joe

Joe Biden - is he up to the job?
Foxy,
Evidence says no ! One more term of Trump would give the Democrats a better kick-off but not now !
Biden is too old now to learn new tricks. Trump's way ahead of him in managing that Dogs breakfast that is the US Trump inherited !

Dear Joe,

I mentioned Mike Pence as a Republican replacement instead
of Trump, but of course that's not going to happen. I
opted for Pence simply because of his opting for low
key public appearances - and the limitation of his
remarks to closely choreographed statements as opposed
to the bombastic style of the commander-in-chief.

I know Pence is a Christian conservative who opposes gay
marriage, abortion, is pro the tobacco industry, and the
list goes on. But I thought that he'd still do less harm
than Trump.

Joe Biden on the other hand may well be the oldest candidate
for the job - but he's experienced and I admire his stand on
issues like affordable health care - and that America's role
as leader on the global stage. I think the country would be
in safer hands under him. His interest in affordable health
care is personal.

He lost his first wife and infant daughter in a car accident
in 1972 and in 2015 his son Beau died of brain cancer.
Biden also has been endorsed by Barack Obama - and for me
speaks volumes.

Going by the posts on page 1 this is looking like the Foxy & LOUDmouth Hour.

I don't know whether to comment or just watch.

Individual,

Trump did not inherit a "dog's breakfast" from
Obama - as you claim. That is absolutely wrong!
You should not believe what the guy tweets or
says. He's a perpetual liar - and can't be trusted.

He has tweeted and stated multiple times that he inherited
a mess from Obama.

Many people don't seem to realize that Trump's rhetoric
does not match reality.

When you look up the data and facts, when you look at the
employment numbers, unemployment rate, GDP growth,
the federal deficit, the stock market and trade,
it's obvious that Trump did NOT inherit a mess from Obama.

It took a couple of years after Obama took office for job
growth to get back on track after the Great Recession.

Starting in 2011 and through 2016 there were over 2 million
jobs created per year with over 3 million in 2014. Including
January 2017 when Trump was inaugurated there had been 76 months
(6 years and 4 months) of positive employment growth.

There much more at:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2019/02/13/6-reasons-trump-did-not-inherit-a-mess-from-obama/#3671e86975ef

Mr Opinion,

You've just commented.

Hopefully in this discussion you will be able to add something
more substantive.

Show us what your qualifications are really made of.
Prove to us that you have what it takes to actually
join in.

Put up or shut up.

Trump did not inherit a "dog's breakfast"
Foxy,
It doesn't really matter what you say. No matter how you want to twist things, a dog's breakfast will alway be a dog's breakfast !
Look at the mess the Goaf created here, we're still adversely affected by some of it ! And, I'm talking about 50 years on, not three or four !

One has to keep in mind that the President is the CEO of America & Co.

He is selected to be the one most capable of keeping the business intact irrespective of whether or not he is an oddball. Which I think is the common opinion on Trump.

The polls are showing Biden will win the popular vote in a landslide.

I doubt if Trump will be returned to office even if he garners the popular vote. I reckon the Electoral College will give him his marching orders.

Individual,

You and I are poles apart in our realities.

Gough Whitlam was PM for a relatively brief 3 years.
But his legacy is extensive.

The green and yellow Medicare card in your wallet is
Thanks to him.

He introduced Medibank, the ancestor to Medicare as
Australia's first National Health Insurance System.
It began operating on July 1 1975.

He abolished university fees from January 1 1974.
Many prominent Australians trace their opportunities and
success back to free university education. This policy
allowed "mature-age-students" getting degrees in 1970s.

A new approach was taken to Indigenous owners of land in
Australia. Indigenous land rights were looked into and
the Department of Aboriginal Affairs was established. In
1975 Whitlam handed Gurindji people of Wattie Creek in NT
title deeds to part of their traditional lands.

In 1973 the Australian embassy was re-opened in Beijing
and Whitlam visited China.

The National Anthem was changed to - " Advance Australia
Fair", in 1974. He brought in sewage to the suburbs.
Federal grants financed highways linking state capitals.
Abolished conscription. He supported the Arts. Established
the Australian Council for the Arts. The National Gallery
in Canberra - first purchases of art. Jackson Pollock's
"Blue Poles" for 1.3 million dollars. It was criticized
at the time. Today the painting is worth - $100 million.

He introduced - no fault divorces in 1975. The Racial
Discrimination Act in 1975 - became law.
His government stopped the drilling for oil in the Great
Barrier Reef and introduced the environment Protection
legislation and Australian National Parks and Wildlife
Service in 1974.

And the list goes on.

Dog's breakfast indeed!

Well it's certainly true that Biden is well informed on all the big issues and is easily able to articulate his position....

http://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1291176732960096256

Sadly (probably correctly) the DNC thinks he's the best man for the job. Maybe he can get elected on the basis that no one knows what the hell his position on the issues is and they each just fill in the gaps - the oh so many gaps.

Biden winning depends on two things:

1. That he avoids the presidential debates
2. That the Democrats 'create' enough votes via vote harvesting and mail-in voting to get him over the line.

Of course, he'll get all the help he needs from China, Iran and Nth Korea who are desperate that he wins. Oh and the alphabet media will provide him with all the cover he needs. They are already offering up excuses for him to skip the debates.

The pollsters and the pundits cover elections as if
they're horse races but history tells us voters are
not fooled by the tricks of the campaign.

Voters vote pragmatically according to how well the
party holding the White House has governed the
country.

The country is in awful shape with COVID-19 hot spots
and the president's buffoonish response to the crisis
remains unchanged.

Trump's position in the polling averages is not great.
There's also bad news all around for the US economy.
History tells us this could be highly damaging to
Trumps re-election chances.

Also Joe Biden's choice of vice-president may just make
all the difference.

Interesting times ahead.

Old Joe would be flat out managing a family barbeque.
I'm willing to bet he'd stuff that up.

Come on Foxy, they reelected Obama, which shows just how stupid yanks can be.

It won't effect us much, but if Biden wins, our grand kids are going to get a really rough ride.

The green and yellow Medicare card in your wallet is
Thanks to him.
Foxy,
Yes & look at the rot they have become.He abolished university fees from January 1 1974.
Now look at the swamp that has become.
A new approach was taken to Indigenous owners of land in
But the Gap is wider than ever. It has even become a massive Taxpayer funded industry.
The rest of your mention is just simply normal progress by society.
The worst decision he made was to remove National Service & we're experiencing the effect of that on a daily basis more than when it first began.

Could it be that the democrats are hoping that the mild looking Biden can get elected, & drag some dreadful fellow democrat along as vice president? Then have to step down, leaving a totally unelectable type as president.

With the extended period they are spending selecting a running mate it does look as if they plan to minimise the time available to dissect the record of who ever they finally put up.

Dear Hassie,

Joe Biden has promised that he would choose a female
as his vice president. And there are some very good
candidates available. Senator Kamala Harris from
California (a previous Attorney General), is just
one who comes to mind.

I watched the Trump documentary on SBS last night and
was totally shocked by that I saw and heard. It really
is difficult trying to be fair as far as that man is
concerned. I am convinced that anyone but him as
US President. He is a very dangerous man - not only
for the US, but for the entire world. He has to go!

According to this news item Australia might be in the sh!t if Biden wins:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australia-needs-trump-to-win-the-election-because-we-cannot-face-china-alone/ar-BB17KCH9?li=AAgfYrC

Especially given that the enemy is already inside the gate.

Saw an item the other day saying that a survey found that the Chinese believe that Australia is part of the Asian continent and not a separate land mass. In other words, they think it is part of China.

We're definitely all Asian now if the Chinese think that.

Sorry Foxy, but she is one of the entirely unelectable I was thinking of.

sad to see the same hysterical nonsense from those who have never accepted the will of the US people. I wonder if Biden wins whether all the pussy heads will come out again. I mean Joe is known for putting his fingers where they don't belong. Oh that's right, Trump said some vulgar things in a locker room decades ago that he apologised for. Those who would support the lying liberal media, the baby killing industry and democrats claim Trump has no moral right to be President. Oh how they hate Trump has exposed the foulest swamp that has probably ever existed. The US might go back to it own vomit but hopefully enough have seen the fruits of the lying media and democrats to reject them.

Joe's fighting mad!
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Joe+biden+U+Tube&&view=detail&mid=58C9FC7EDC8CFF75159958C9FC7EDC8CFF751599&rvsmid=59A6841A34AC4EFA212359A6841A34AC4EFA2123&FORM=VDMCNR

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Joe+biden+U+Tube&&view=detail&mid=2522EE21EEF27F9DDAF32522EE21EEF27F9DDAF3&rvsmid=59A6841A34AC4EFA212359A6841A34AC4EFA2123&FORM=VDQVAP

Mr Opinion,

Australia definitely does not need Trump.

Trump's mentality is - "America First".
He's an isolationist. Except of course when
he asks Russia for help in getting rid of his
political opponents.

He's a man who's totally into what's good for him.
He does not give a sh!t about the rest of the world.
And especially not Australia.

Joe Biden is the one who believes in American leadership
on the global stage. He will support and maintain
Australian interests.

Dear Hassie,

I'm sorry that you don't see Trump for what he really is.
Or that you don't see the value in a highly qualified
female vice-president.

runner,

Trump is out only for himself. He is not a highly principled
person by anyone's standards, including those of his own family.
We are lucky in this country. For every idiot here there's
more in America based on their population ratio.
Don't add to it.

Josephus,

Did you happen to see the documentary on Trump last
night on SBS?

If you had you would be supporting anybody but Trump as
President of the United States.

Foxy wrote: "The green and yellow Medicare card in your wallet is
Thanks to him.".

I won't spend too much time on it because its OT, but that's rubbish. Just another one of those silly myths that people like Foxy constantly and willingly fall for.

Whitlam introduced Medibank. It was NOT a universal health system. It was a government run health insurance system designed to force the other private heath insurance companies to reduce their prices.

As with most of Whitlam's schemes it failed utterly. So Labor tried again to fix health insurance under the far more competent Hawke and thus was Medicare born.

Medibank and Whitlam have nothing to do with the Medicare card in your wallet. But that won't stop the perpetually gullible from falling for the lefts myth-making

Foxy,

You just said that Phil doesn't "see the value in a highly qualified female vice-president.'

I thought qualifications were not important to you. Aren't you one of those who have been to the University of Life types?

Or have you changed your mind about having formal qualifications?

Mr O, there are plenty on here smarter than us without university qualifications

You need to concede this reality

And there are other grounds for qualification other than going to uni, which Misopinionated so obviously yearns for.

Harris has been a state's Attorney-General. Susan Rice has been a professor of politics and the US National Security boss. Others on Biden's list have been mayors, leaders of organisations.

Experience is probably a better teacher than paper qualifications, Misop: you will one day learn that, once you have been to uni and then worked for a while. Give yourself time :)

Go for it :). 'So, you haven't got ..... ?'

Joe

Chris,

I'll accept that if you can point them out to me.

LOUDmouth,

I am talking about qualifications, not experience.

Mr Opinion,

I am a qualified librarian. I have a BA, an MA
and a Masters in Library and Information Science.
My work experience is vast and varied, ranging from -
public regional libraries, special private libraries,
state libraries, parliamentary libraries, university
libraries. I have worked in retail, for hospitals,
aged care facilities, been an office manager, been
in charge of 7 branch libraries, and the list goes on.

I have worked in two continents, have run story-time
sessions, and book clubs, what more would you like to know?
And that's not all. I also am a published author.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

Dear Foxy, No, I did not see the SBS presentation of Trump. The fact is the SBS only present leftist views of Trump with intent of bias and promote racist programmes. "We do things a little different," is their slogan. I know several presenters personally on SBS and their views.



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Overall, we rate The Special Broadcasting Service (SBS) Left-Center Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that moderately favor the left.
http://mediabiasfactcheck.com/special-broadcasting-service-sbs/

Gough Whitlam can rightly be called the founder of Medicare.
In the early 1970s a large proportion of Australians
lacked coverage for health.

The scheme for universal coverage was originally called
Medibank and was a major plank in Whitlam's winning 1972
election platform. Medibank was one of the reforms that
defined the Whitlam government and its underlying
philosophy. The guiding mission was to provide adequate
healthcare to all citizens regardless of their
financial means.

The following link gives the history:

http://www.nswnma.asn.au/vale-gough-whitlam-founder-of-medibankmedicare/

Dear Josephus,

It's always good to view more than just one set of views.
Right, Left, or Centrist. I'm sure that you will agree.

Foxy,

Thanks. At least now I have a good idea about what you know and where you're coming from and will be respectful of your position and ideas in the future.

Mr O, since you have so many degrees, it is unfortunate you are not able to demonstrate your knowledge on this forum.

What does anyone think of Michelle Obama as the
running mate for Joe Biden?

Providing of course that she's willing to run.

no way, Obama was overrated, so who needs same.

Dear Chris,

What scares me is that if Trump loses the election
he won't concede. He'll accuse - "FRAUD" and refuse to
go. What happens then?

Foxy,

King Donald the First does have a nice ring to it.

Was it true Joe phoned Trump and asked him to be his running mate? I mean seriously talk about elder abuse.

Michelle Obama on Black America
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=michelle+obama+youtube&docid=608014013086633065&mid=B98F6D6ED0DCC605CD00B98F6D6ED0DCC605CD00&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Obama lost to Trump the people voted them out.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=michelle+obama+on+youtube&docid=607987869573909637&mid=55600F7E4EE63BA840DD55600F7E4EE63BA840DD&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Candice Owens on slavery
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=candice+owens+youtube&docid=607996919072753362&mid=DFE404E017090F10F0EFDFE404E017090F10F0EF&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Keep an eye on this great American, not fighting race wars.

How on earth would being the wife of a very bad president possibly qualify any one to be president?

If she could marry an Obama she shows very poor judgement, but even if he were a good president, what qualification is that?

The mere fact that Biden has announced the VP candidate will be a woman shows the choice is political, & has nothing to do with the best person for the VP job, or the the replacement president in that eventuality.

Disgusting.

Hasbeen,

Perhaps you're right about their not being any woman who would be suitable on her own merit - after all, out of the 44 or so presidents, and 44 or so vice-presidents, how many have been women ?

Misop would count that as proof and he has a lot of degrees :)

Joe

I think if Trump loses, the US system will be strong enough to insist that his claims of fraud will be deemed as rubbish by both democrats and most republicans.

LOUDmouth,

You sound upset and lonely. Don't worry, I'm sure something good will come your way. After all, you are an ex-Maoist pie maker from Melbourne. That has to mean something to somebody.

Misopinionated,

Don't discount my degree in Maoist pie-making ! It took me years ! By that time, I'd actually moved on to capitalist pie-making. More spicy !

Joe

Chris,

Does anybody seriously believe that Trump will win a second term?

I'll be putting money on Biden to win as long as he's not odds on.

Effectively what Foxy et al are saying here is that Biden isn't up to the job, but not to fret because he'll have a good VP who'll take over when Biden's dementia becomes so bad even the Democrats/Media won't be able to hide it.

Imagine anyone saying Trump is a bit boorish but fret not, his VP is a nice chap. That's the level of delusion here.

Basically the DNC and the left/media power brokers are trying to impose their wishes on the electorate. First use Biden to destroy the Sanders campaign, then, since he, Biden, is clearly incapable of doing the job, try to insert someone who'll toe the party line. People like Harris have already been rejected once in the primaries, but the power-brokers of the left don't really care what the electorate, even their own supporters, think.

"What does anyone think of Michelle Obama as the running mate for Joe Biden?"

Well she admits she suffers from depression. So a good match for Biden. Perhaps they could get a bulk discount from their preferred psychiatrist.

"What scares me is that if Trump loses the election he won't concede."

Ya gotta laugh at the lack of self-reflection. People who've spent the last 4 years rejecting the last election, refusing to respect the results and supporting any and all efforts to overturn it, worry that Trump won't respect the results of this election. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

I've noticed there are more urgent calls from the left for the debates to be cancelled. Seems that they are very worried about Biden revealing his true self when he gets away from the teleprompter.
It'll be an interesting exercise in the use of raw power to see if the Democrats/Media can get Biden over the line without ever being really challenged or forced to answer tough questions

Dear Hassie,

Michelle Obama is an American attorney and author.
She's a graduate of Princeton University and
Harvard Law School. She has had a varied career in
law firms, and the University of Chicago. She's
spoken at two Democratic National Conventions and
she's worked as an advocate for poverty awareness,
education, and health issues. She has had experience
as a First Lady. She would make an excellent vice-
president for any candidate, However, I doubt if she
would be interested in running for office - after what
she saw her husband experience.

Mr Opinion,

You suggestion of King Donald I. is excellent.
You're obviously talking about Donald Duck.
And why not - only in America!

Josephus,

Candace Owens?

She's found a way to win the race wars.
Tell them what they want to hear (right out of Trump's
book). She's a perfect running mate for Trump.

mhaze,

You're certainly in your element condemning Michelle
Obama and Biden with mental issues.

How about a closer look at your hero - the fake Donald?
Even his family considered him dangerous. And what would
he do without Breitbart? Perhaps at this election even
the Russians won't be able to help him survive.

Why President Trump is more rational than Democrat Mayors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_eUtvAjrLw

'Candace Owens?

She's found a way to win the race wars.
Tell them what they want to hear (right out of Trump's
book). She's a perfect running mate for Trump.'

Oh Foxy we knew all along you don't 'believe all women' especially those who tell the truth.

Mr O, I am not really into predicting elections, but I would be amazed if he won this November.

He is well behind, including in key states that he needed to win in 2016.

Marmaduke Melonhead would be a better choice than Donald Trump. Come to think of it, Donald Trump is Marmaduke Melonhead!

I don't care if Trump is returned, so what.

The facts and history of Joe Biden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zINwD-cylPE

if you ever see the documentary on Flint and water supply, you will see what an overrated phoney Obama was

and who gives a crap what qualifications MRs Obama has.

That talks sounds like Mr O

"You're certainly in your element condemning Michelle
Obama and Biden with mental issues."

Foxy,

I know the propaganda you rely on won't have told you this, but Michelle reported that she was suffering depression. Surely you believe her (smile).

"Perhaps at this election even
the Russians won't be able to help him survive."

So despite the fact that there isn't a skerrick of evidence for the Russian collusion story, your still gunna believe it. Because you want it to be true.

Candace Owen looks black but she can't be. After all that nice Mr Biden said that if you don't vote for him you ain't black. But don't dare suggest he's racist.

While I don't want Trump, Biden is starting to look incoherent.

saw Biden on tv riding a bike other day.

I reckon he looks fitter than Trump, but I more interested in his ideas.

Look forward to presidential debates.

Michelle Obama's a graduate of Princeton University and
Harvard Law School. She has had a varied career in
law firms, and the University of Chicago. She's
spoken at two Democratic National Conventions and
she's worked as an advocate for poverty awareness,
education, and health issues. She has had experience
as a First Lady.

Thanks for that Foxy. You have even further convinced me she would make a disastrous VP or president. Perfectly wrong for the tough job running a nation. She would probably be even worse than her husband, if that is actually possible, & almost as bad as Hilary.

mhaze,

I know that the propaganda you rely on - the "fake
news" would not have told you this - but Michelle
Obama is doing "Just Fine" after her LOW GRADE
depression admission. The reasons for her admission
were to help others going through these difficult
times in the United States - the pandemic, the
current state of race relations, and the political
strive surrounding it all.

As for Trump and Russian collusion? There is more than
a "skerrick of evidence". Trump has not been exonerated.
But of course you are still not gunna believe it.
No surprises there.

Candace Owen? She certainly knows which side to support.
And of course race to her is only a means to an end.
She belongs in the Trump camp.

Talking about race - Trump's comments on the white
nationalist, Neo Nazi, KKK rally in Charlotesville says
it all. Some very good people there he thought. And of
course - they're his supporters. But don't any of us
dare suggest he's a facist - or a Neo Nazi.

I am looking forward to a debate between him and Joe Biden.
It shall be interesting to see how Trump blathers his way out
of it.

Foxy,

Trump is an imbecile. He has the runs on the board to prove it. So isn't it a shame that we find ourselves wasting our time discussing him.

What I would like to have explained though is his relationship to Jeffrey Epstein. I think this is fascinating and Trump should be pulled in by the FBI to explain what knowledge he has of Epstein's activities.

Misop,

Don't worry, the FBI will go through Ghislaine Maxwell's papers thoroughly.

Trump always had/has a lot of financial interests in casinos. Could there conceivably be any link whatever between the activities of Epstein and casinos ? Big spenders flying in from all over the world ? Big spenders and sex workers ? Under-age girls ? Is that possible ?

Or any possibility for casinos to be involved, however minimally, in money laundering ? Gosh, is that possible ?

Interesting links between real estate, casinos, criminality and grand-scale sex work. I wonder if Trumpf would be in any way interested in young girls ?

Oh yes, that's right, he described his own daughter as being a nice piece of arse, that if she wasn't his daughter, he ........

No, surely not ! But the FBI will find a multitude of interesting facts from Epstein and Maxwell's papers, so we will know in due course. How's that for faith in the system ?

Joe

"Michelle Obama is doing "Just Fine" after her LOW GRADE depression admission."

So she has depression. Which is what I said.Glad to see you caught up.

"There is more than a "skerrick of evidence". Trump has not been exonerated."

There is evidence? Well please send it to that nice Mr Mueller who spent two years and couldn't find it. He'll be ever so grateful.
Honestly Foxy!!

Not exonerated? Well you haven't been exonerated for being the on the take from the CCP. But since neither of you were charged with those crimes, neither are likely to be exonerated.

"Candace Owen? ....And of course race to her is only a means to an end."

Rather racist of you to say that.

"Some very good people there he thought."

Yes he said there were some very good people there...ON BOTH SIDES. I guess the propaganda you rely on to tell you what to think forgot to mention that titbit?

I find it interesting that with all the people here expressing their support for Biden, not a one has mentioned any of his policies that merit such support. Sad.

mhaze,

A couple of things:

1) Former first lady Michelle Obama said on her pod cast
that she's suffering for a "low-grade depression" she did
this to help others. She attributes it to the coronavirus
quarantine, the mental health toll of racism and the hypocrisy
of the Trump administration. Low-grade depression is not
an official diagnosis. In her case it simply refers to a
person who's expressing some concern - but does not meet the
criteria for a depressive disorder.

But I suspect that you already know that.

2) Russian collusion? Come on!

Trump has always been clear that he doesn't think Russia
did anything wrong - doesn't want the full details to
become known, and doesn't want anyone punished and has
no particular interest in making sure that they don't do it
again. Gawd, that in itself is perhaps the most powerful
evidence of collusion. Apart from the number of arrests
already done thus far. Get real!

3) The 2017 "Unite the Right"rally was the most visible
display of white nationalist and white supremacist hate
en-masse in the United States for years and it was branded
as such before it even took place. "You will not replace us",
"Blood and soil" the intolerance and hatred they sought to
promote was utterly disgusting.
And Trump's excusing it - was disturbing beyond words.

4) Biden's stance on issues are available on the web. Here's
just one small look:

http://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/joe-biden/

yeah we know Joe you were not interested in the Bill Gates meetings with Epstein or Bill and Hilary's trips to the island. Then again why should we be surprised. I mean your mate Joe like sticking his fingers in uninvited places. But as a good regressive you stick to your own narrative even if full of innuendo and lies. Looking for a job at the abc or is it TDS on steroid? Feeling a bit desperate!

Dear Hassie,

I guess there's very little more to say
except to suggest that you watch - "Michelle
Obama: Life After the White House", a documentary
that will be shown tonight (11/08/2020) on Stan.

Michelle became synonymous with the monumental change
that occurred in the United States just as much as
her husband Barack did when he took over the White
House in 2009.

And since wrapping up their term in office in 2017,
Michelle Obama has showed no signs of slowing down on
her mission to make the world a better place.

This doco gives us unprecedented access to one of the
most beloved personalities to grace politics.

runner,

Stop your drivel. Go take your hate to the United States -
you'll be happier there. I can just see you marching along
in the "United the Right"rally.

Foxy

what is it about telling the truth that triggers you. Your hatred of anything decent is incredible. You would fit in well with many of those democrat women who would not have an ounce of integrity. I did not think you could surpass your hatred of Abbott but you obviously had disguised the level of hatred until recently. It is your toxic brand of politics that need to leave this country.

Runner,

Thanks for the laugh your post raised. No, I have no respect for any of the slime who exploited the girls that that scum Epstein recruited for them - if, IF, that included Bill Gates, etc., then I'll heartily condemn them.

If it included Trumpf, will you ?

I hope with all my heart that the relevant legal authorities have got hold of Epstein and Maxwell's papers, phone records, etc., etc.

And just in case Biden is not mentioned in any of that huge data-pile, but if he HAS been involved in assaulting any women, any women at all, Runner, I hope he pays the price. No excuses. No ifs or buts.

Can you say the same about your particular bucket of slime ? Or as a real, real Christian, will you forgive him ? For destroying the lives of young girls ?

Of course you will. He might be slime, but he's your slime - is that it, Runner ?

Joe

"Low-grade depression is not an official diagnosis."

Are you saying she just made it up to get headlines for her podcast?
Still, its clear she has undiagnosed depression, just as Joe has undiagnosed dementia.

"Russian collusion? Come on!"
So no evidence then. Just you making unsubstantiated claims. That nice Mr Mueller will be disappointed.

"Apart from the number of arrests already done thus far."
No one has been arrested for collusion.

Trump said there were good people on both sides. Are you saying there were no good people there? Not even on the other side?

"Biden's stance on issues are available on the web."

Well Biden's handlers stance anyway. But that's not the point. No one here, including you, have said that those stances are reason to vote for him. We all know why....and its sad.

Come of it, Mhaze, most of us have some degree of depression during this coronavirus crisis.

I would have thought that 'low-grade' means that one knows one is a bit depressed but has a handle on it, no worries, we'll get over this together.

Makes her even more human :) Yes, I hope Biden offers here a senior position after the election. She's no dill. And young enough to go for the nomination in 2024.

Joe

runner,

Be careful.

Watch out.

People like you who talk crap about others will be
re-incarnated as a toilet roll.

mhaze,

You have your entire life to be a jerk.

Take today off!

Oh Joe suddenly you are against all real abusers. Well I must say that is refreshing as the last six months your slurs, abuse and narrative all points toward TDS. Certainly you have been pointing out the moral unfitness of Trump to be President. Nothing on the depravity of the the democrats and many its leaders.

I suspect the democrats have been extremely careful about their accusations re Trump/Epstein as they know that they have numerous more links and I suspect abusers than the republicans. Bill Clinton along with Hillary would of had a truck load of frequent flyer points with Epstein.

Personally I think all males found guilty of the sexual abuse of males should be castrated. Unlike the lying regressives though I believe in in the need to be proved guilty. The disgraceful lying democrat witches aided by the lying left liberal media that brought lies against Kavanaugh should be in goal. They are as bad as Epstein in my sight as they undermine people taking justice seriously. The Victorian legal system is not much better as they gaoled Pell with next to no evidence.

I think you also know that though Trump has become a cult hero because of his policies that are in fact far more attractive than the man himself. The first pro life President, the first to have the guts to move embassy to Jerusalem, the first to give UN the finger over the totally corrupt Paris agreement and the first to rightly point out the lying left media being the enemy of the people. I think you get the drift.

And yes Joe, any man or woman who repents and asks for forgivesness should be forgiven in my sight. Personally I and every other human being would been dammed for eternity without God's mercy and forgiveness. That does not exonerate anyone from facing the law of the country if they are proven guilty including Trump. I think also the liars who tried filthy lying tactics of making up a false dossier and spending 3 years trying to usurp the President should be gaoled.

When Trump loses the election he will probably get an email from Putin: "YOU'RE FIRED!"

LOUDmouth,

Trump might even know who it was that accidentally broke a bone in Epstein's neck when Epstein hung himself.

There have been varying personalities in American
Presidents:

John F. Kennedy - bold, articulate leader with a great
deal of charisma. Richard Nixon - introspective, with a
deep knowledge of, and interest in foreign policy - just to
name two. Each person, past and present who has held the
office of President has brought to it a unique style.
Each style has reflected a President's character.

A President must somehow symbolize what American citizens
believe to be the essence of their country. A President must
represent what is valued now and in the past, but even more
importantly they embody the direction of America's future.

Come November, the American people will have to choose
Between Joe Biden or Donald Trump. The choice shall affect
not only them - but the entire world. We can only hope and
trust that they will make the right choice for us all.

Mr Op,

Trump and Putin ? Good one !

I'd suggest that once he's of no more use to Putin, Trump should stay away from any windows, if he goes to Russia: people tend to fall out of them there.

Joe

LOUDmouth,

Or better still put him in Epstein's old cell room for a hour and see if anyone accidentally breaks his neck bone while he is trying to hang himself.

I am really looking forward to the debate between
Trump and Biden. It's scheduled for Tuesday -
Sept. 29th and it was to be at the University of
Notre Dame in Indiana but its been changed to the
Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland.

It should be interesting.

Barack Obama said he admired -

"The kind of leadership that's guided by knowledge and
experience, honesty and humility, empathy and grace.
That kind of leadersip doesn't just belong in our state
capitals and majors offices. It belongs in the White House,
and that's why I am so proud to endorse Joe Biden for
President of the United States".

Foxy,

Have you ever considered that American political culture functions to ensure that the president will always be a man?

If that is the case then it would go a good way to explaining why Clinton did not win the presidency.

For example, the president must be a decisive war leader. On that basis, who had the better chance of winning? Clinton or Trump?

Having a female running mate (especially if she is African-American) might be the nice thing to do but will it get Biden into the White House. History probably tells us no.

If Trump starts prancing around like a George Washington on heat between now and November he might just fall over the line.

(especially if she is African-American)
Mr Opinion,
If the African Americans are as smart as those who cause riots then Biden's token running mate will be seen more of a hindrance than of help by the intelligent & decent African Americans !

Investigations into Ilhan Omar a Democratic candidate http://www.glennbeck.com/radio/heres-proof-ilhan-omar-had-the-most-extensive-spree-of-felonies-by-a-congressperson-ever

Joe Biden has named California Senator and former Attorney
General of California - Senator Kamala Harris as his
running mate making the Californian Senator the first
Black and South Asian American woman to run on a major
political party's presidential ticket.

Her mother is from India, an endocrinologist (breast
cancer scientist) and her father is from British Jamaica
and is a Professor from Stanford University. Biden adds to
the Democratic ticket a former primary rival who centered
her own presidential bid on her readiness to take on
Donald Trump and show Americans she would fight for them.

She rose to national prominence within the Democratic
Party by interrogating Trump nominees during Senate hearings
from former Attorney General Jeff Sessions to Supreme Court
Justice Brett Kavanaaugh.

Very exciting times ahead!

Foxy,

Yes, very exciting ! A breath of fresh air ! At 55, she's in the running, any time she likes, to go for the Presidency.

A Black/Asian woman, from such a prestigious and well-educated family - what a blessing for the US!

You've made my day :)

Joe

Tucker Carson writes

'Last year, several women came forward to say Joe Biden had touched them in sexually aggressive ways, both on and off camera. Kamala Harris wholeheartedly endorsed their claims, saying "I believe them and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do it."

You could not make this stuff up. Oh well Joe its better than locker room talk. I am sure the lying left media will be on to it (not)!

wow, how does her multi-ethnic background make any difference.

What matters is whether one can lead and think.

Foxy & LOUDmouth,

I reckon Trump will take aim at Biden's running mate ridiculing her as someone who does not qualify as a war leader on the basis of her ontology as woman.

Will Trump start a war just to show everyone that he is a war leader? Scary times ahead.

Dear Joe,

It is very exciting. She's quite incredible.
Her husband is Jewish (Douglas Emhoff). He's
a famous entertainment lawyer with two children
from a previous marriage. She gets on fabulously
not only with her husband's children but with
his former wife as well. What a lady!

Also her husband graduated from my previous stomping
ground - the University of Southern California (USC).
Yay!

I am truly excited. Biden has picked a winner.
The entire family will work very hard to see Biden get
elected.

it is really exciting? Why?

what major policies has she to deal with the economy, china or anything else.

Give us reasons why it is exciting instead of sounding quite silly.

Are we supposed to be excited because she is multi-ethnic.

This is starting to look like a movie I saw.

Wow looks like they are picking a recent graduate to a full membership of the democrat swamp.

It might be white Americans we start getting as refugees, rather than South Africans

She looks like the exact problem the US in particular & the west in general is suffering from, & what will assure it's demise very shortly. Bleeding all over the no hopers in society is no way to cure any problems.

With the ratbag green new deal, & Biden wanting to stop oil production, add someone like this lady, & the Chinese take over might come decades sooner than anyone, even Mr O thought.

Dear Chris,

No you are not supposed to be excited because she is
multi-ethnic. Although you're allowed to be if you want.

You are supposed to be excited because the lady is highly
skilled and talented and will be able to do the job
much better than Mike Pence (Trump's vice-president) ever
could. Have you checked out that man's credentials for his
job? Or for that matter the credential of Trump - who has
not ever had any political experience of any kind. He knew how
to play gold and grab kitty cats.

Her career as California's Attorney-General and as a
Senator stands her in good stead for a political career.
Her legal career means she is well placed to prosecute
the case against Mike Pence in the vice-presidential
debate in October and against Trump's administration in
general.

She has demonstrated this skill during congressional
hearings, notably grilling the president's
highly controversial supreme court nominee Brett Kavanaugh
and even in debates with Biden himself.

Her career as a former prosecutor also goes a long way to
neutralizing Trump's attempted claims on Biden and the
Democrats being soft on crime.

Her background is impressive. She has spent part of her
childhood abroad. She has protested against apartheid in
South Africa - went on to obtain a Bachelors Degree, a law
degree, became a lawyer, then a senator, She has had vast
experience in how both law and politics work.

Not only that she has seen the world through eyes that no
white man can. In her memoir - "The Truths We hold: An American
Journey", Harris describes how her mother became conditioned
to discrimination at airport customs because of her accent
and skin colour. She is an experienced fighter and pursuer
of justice for all. Making her not only an excellent candidate
for the vice-presidency but for the top job as well.
She is also only 55 years of age. Her career is still in front of her.

That Chris, is why it IS exciting!

You are easily pleased.

Did you also get excited when Rudd the Dud got elected.

I am only impressed by policies.

Dear Chris,

If you are only impressed with policies - then
you should be impressed with the Biden and Harris
team. They actually have policies. Not slogans.
But who knows what may impress you. It's obviously
not experienced highly qualified and knowledgeable
people. Especially ones who are not white.
We get it. You fit right in, here on the forum.

Dear Hassie,

Kamala Harris is not a "recent graduate" as you claim.
Not by any stretch of your imagination. She was Attorney
General of California in 2010 and re-elected in 2016.
Highly qualified prior to that. She IS part of the solution
in America. She's a hard worker and an excellent role-model.
Unlike Trump supporters. And you don't have to worry about
China. What Australia has to worry about is Trump's
isolationist attitude (America First) if Trump gets in.
Australia will be in deep sh!t. And Russia will be pulling
the strings.

I also hope they deliver.

I just want to hear their policies.

Bring on the debates.

Maybe then I will get excited.

Dear Chris,

Can't wait!

Dear Chris,

I gave this link earlier, but I'll give it again - it
may help you see where Joe Biden stands on issues:

http://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/joe-biden/

And then of course we have the real estate developer
turned reality TV star, turned president - Donald Trump
who's been known to switch positions on everything,
making it hard to pin down where he stands on any issue
at any given time.

In support of Foxy and Joe fuller bio-data for Kamala Harris, making her suitable for the VP and one day Pres jobs, are:

Harris, born 1964 (aged 55) is already a politician and former lawyer serving as the junior US senator from California since 2017.

Born in Oakland, California, Harris is a graduate of Howard University and University of California, Hastings College of the Law.

Harris began her career in the Alameda County District Attorney's Office before being recruited to the San Francisco District Attorney's Office and later the City Attorney of San Francisco's office.

In 2003, she was elected the 27th district attorney of San Francisco, serving until 2011.

Harris was elected Attorney General of California (which has a population and economy bigger than AUSTRALIA's) in 2010. She was re-elected in 2014.

In November 2016, Harris was elected a Federal/US Senator for California.

Harris has been married to Douglas Emhoff since 2014.

More see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

plantagenet,

So what you are telling us is that she is just another scumbag lawyer.

Not withstanding all those great qualifications, she is under 80, a woman, politically left of Adolph Hitler and black to boot. Gee just when the Forums 'Usual Suspects' were going to vote Democrat they get this terrible shocking news. Not that our lads would be racists or anything like that.

Foxy,
Is Senator Kamala Harris now fighting apartheid in South Africa, or does she believe in the policy as the African President Matamela Cyril Ramaphosa that Africa is only for black Africans?

Paul1405,

I think we should all say the reason(s) she was selected. For me:

1. Polls are showing that women are 60/40 more likely to not vote for Trump than men.

2. She obviously aligns with the BLM supporters given she classifies herself as African-American.

Can anyone think of any other reasons she was chosen by the Democrats?

I think it will become obvious shortly after the election that Harris is miles ahead in competence, decency and charisma than either Pence or
Trumpf ever could be. She will be a breath of fresh air, something we haven't experienced in the past four years of the stinking Trumpf Swampf.

Frankly, I think she would make an even better president than Biden, but that may happen in good time :)

Joe

Mr Opinion, Is Senator Kamala Harris supporting BLM with its Marxist agenda and the Antifa destruction of businesses in American towns.

She does know what socialism is. After saying she is not a socialist, she instantly starts talking about redistributing the wealth in this country, which is socialist talk. Her “course correction” is to take the money from the people who work hard to earn it and give it the people who are not so motivated. Again, this is what socialism is.

And there was more:

“When we have an America where 99% of the United States of America, is a minimum wage worker working full-time, you can’t afford market rate for a one-bedroom apartment, we need to course-correct. And those are my commitments in terms of being able to be in a position where one I see it, but also I intend to do something about it,” Harris added.

Where the hell does she get her stats from? The only places that are unaffordable to live are where democrats are in charge like California and New York. There she goes again with that “course-correct” talk, which is definitely against the free-market and the rest of us know is socialism.

Kalama Harris real record.

http://www.socialistalternative.org/2019/08/09/kamala-harris-real-record/

Mr Opinion,

Are you by any chance a Russian hacker?

It sounds very much like you're part of their
pro Trump team.

Dear Josephus,

Kamala Harris is against any racial discrimination.
And no she does not believe that Africa should be for
blacks only. Neither did Nelson Mandela.

Dear Joe,

Fingers-crossed that Trump will get hurled out with
full force. I want the America back that we all know
and love.

Josephus,

Although it is a bit off-topic, I can't find any evidence that Cyril Ramaphosa supported the extreme-pseudo-'left' notion of 'Africa only for the Africans'. Perhaps you can cite some documentation. Are you referring to the legislation to transfer back of farmland from Europeans to Africans ?

Joe

Spot on, Foxy :)

Joe

Foxy,

Just because I welcome everyone with a big Aussie "Ni Hao!" doesn't mean I'm Russian.

Just means like the rest of Australia I am an Asian.

Talking about multiculturalism, have you had a look through the Collins Dictionary of Sociology?

Dear Josephus,

Why are you giving a link from the "socialistalternative"
website on Kamala Harris? They are a Trotskyist
organization.

Mr Opinion,

I prefer to read scholarly articles on issues.
Dictionaries are too narrow and limiting in their
definitions.

Foxy,

And to think I had such high hopes for you. I'm so disappointed. Next you will be telling us that The Oxford English Dictionary is full of nonsense words and that we should ignore it.

Just because I welcome everyone with a big Aussie "Ni Hao!" doesn't mean I'm Russian.
Mt Opinion,
You'd better change that to "Knee deep" by the way things are going !

Kamala Harris's selection is a nod to the fruity extreme left whinge. I assume that this to enable Biden to focus on the center rather than his previous drift to the far left.

"Will Harris help Biden? Her mother was Indian, from Tamil Nadu; her father Jamaican. She is hailed as the first African-American vice-presidential candidate.

In choosing Senator Kamala Harris as his vice-presidential running mate, Joe Biden made the right choice from a weak field. Harris is one of the most left-liberal-voting senators in the US. She is as woke as folk, embraces every silliness of identity politics. She favours trillions of dollars of new taxes, supports the Green New Deal and carbon-neutral America, a recipe for national bankruptcy. She would end fracking, which now provides the lion’s share of US energy. She likes to censor political opponents, demanding that Twitter prevent Donald Trump from publishing his tweets.

Though she wants to take some money away from police forces, she is not, formally, a supporter of “defund the police”. (Neither is Biden because defunding the police is literally insane.) Already murder rates are rising in big cities such as New York and Chicago, while legitimate anti-racism protests have been converted into violent riots and looting in cities such as Portland and Seattle. If the presidential race is close, and polls show a recent, slight improvement for Trump, law & order will be a huge factor."

"Kamala Harris's selection is a nod to the fruity extreme left whinge." The type of comment you get from a right wing ratty who believes if anyone isn't right of Adolph Hitler they must be from the extreme left.

Looks like I'm the only one (with my two points above) to come up with a reason for the Democrats' choice of Kamala Harris as Biden's running mate.

Can anyone come up with a third reason?

It is so obvious Mr O that it is not really worth discussing. It is a con of course. She is to pick up womens lib vote, so a viscous woman like her is perfect, but on the negro vote she is straight trickery. She is brown not black, & nothing negro at all, showing just how racist the Democrats really are, & what a bunch of con men they are.

If Biden wins & she becomes president, with the democrat Green New Deal, & her, the Mexicans would be very quickly finishing Trumps wall, to keep out the yanks looking for a better life, & of course the millions of illegals currently living in the US would be leading the charge.

I wonder how many Romans could see the crumbling of their civilisation as it collapsed, or like so many in the west today, were they cheering the destruction of their civilisation, & encouraging it's demise.

Misopinionated,

So you've discovered that Kamala [Devi - 'Princess'] Harris is:

1. A woman; and

2. An African-American.

So you attribute the usual stereotypes to her. Gosh, how insightful.

She's also an experienced State attorney-general, an accomplished lawyer and of Tamil extraction.

So she could well be the first Hindu President of the US as well.

And surprise ! She has her own ideas as thinking human beings tend to: strong on equality, tough on crime, to begin with.

Try to keep up:)

Joe

Phil,

Can you think of a reason the Democrats put her as Biden's running mate?

I came up with two.

The Roman world did not disintegrate and it is alive and well and living in your back yard. Look at all things that are Roman from civic architecture to roads and bridges, from your education system to your governments. We are just so Romanised and you can actually sit down and have a coffee and a chat with Romans today who can tell you all about what life is like in Rome.

the more informed a person becomes it is obvious that they could never vote for Biden/Kamala. Like the lying left liberal media they will remain wilfully ignorant.

Kamala Harris became the district attorney, the top
prosecutor for San Francisco in 2003 and then went
on in being elected as the first woman and the first
person of colour to serve as California's Attorney-General,
the top lawyer and law enforcement official in America's
most populous state. No small achievements for anyone -
\male or female.

In her two terms in office as Attorney-General Harris gained
a reputation as someone to be reckoned with she was considered
one of the Democratic Party's rising stars.

Since her election to the Senate the former prosecutor's
reputation only gathered momentum, especially at the key
Senate hearings and her questioning of the Supreme Court
nominee Brett Kavanaugh and Attorney General William Barr,
amongst others.

Kamala Harris has often said that her identity makes her
uniquely suited to represent those on the margins. Now
that Joe Biden has named her as his running mate she might
get the chance to do just that inside the White House.

cont'd ...

There's also her connection to Beau Biden.

Kamala Harris and Beau Biden both served as Attorney-
Generals. She in California. He in Delaware. And they
began working closely together while negotiating
with bankers during the foreclosure crisis in 2011 and
2012. In her memoir Harris called Beau Biden an "incredible
friend and colleague" who became a close collaborator.
"There were periods when I was taking heat, that Beau and
I talked every day, sometimes multiple times a day," she
wrote.

"We had each other's backs". After Beau's death Harris
said at the 2016 California Democratic Convention that the
Biden family -

"Really represents our nation's highest ideals, a powerful
belief in the nobility of public service".

Joe Biden said he wanted a running mate who was "simpatico"
with where he wanted to take the country. He has chosen well
in Kamala Harris.

Foxy,

Obviously you are great on the wiki-speak but in your own mind why do you think the Democrats chose Kamala Harris as Biden's running mate or do you just take everything at face value and actually think that Biden chose her directly?

Mr Opinion,

Read what I wrote - I can't make it any clearer.

I think he'll do a great job!

Foxy,

As long as you're happy with what you wrote that is the main thing.

Mr Opinion,

1) Go to pet store.

2) Buy bird seed.

3) Ask how long it will take for
the bird to grow.

4) Wait for reaction.

Foxy,

You might have to explain that to him slowly.

On social change (which should be right up Misop's alley too as a sociologist, as well as bird-breeder), Barack Obama and Kamala Harris are examples of the social and physical mobility of people over the last 150 years, but particularly since the War.

Some of my ancestors came out here 200 years ago, but none of their descendants could afford to go back for a visit until at least the fifties or later. Nowadays, people think nothing of flying to the other side of the world: between them, my kids have been to been to New Zealand (many times), to south-east Asia, Greece, Mexico and Cuba, Canada and the US.

Conversely, people have come to Australia - and become equal, full citizens - from all over the world in the last seventy years.

In a democracy, no group rules, or should expect to rule as some sort of eternal right. So we have had prime ministers born in England, Wales, Scotland, Chile and elsewhere, and MPs born in fifty different countries. Men and women. Left- and right-handers. The best in our society.

So it should be, and in the US too. Kamala Harris is an example of that wonderful, democratic shift in American society. Not before time. Great days lie ahead, folks.

Joe

Dear Joe,

Have you ever just looked at someone and said -
"SERIOUSLY?"

I'm usually about Live, Laugh, Love.
But with some people it's more like -
Aim,
Fire,
Reload!

Dear Foxy,

Hmmm ....... That's not the response to praising Kamala Harris that I was hoping for ;(

Are you on the right thread ?

Cheers,

Joe

Foxy,

All I see in your discussion on Harris is descriptions about her career and her political stance.

I don't see anything that gives a reason about why the Democrats chose her to be Biden's running mate.

Let me give you a hand. I'll start the sentence and you finish it:

The Democrats chose Harris because ...............................................................

Alright, finish it and please keep it to one sentence length instead of waffling on and beating around the bush and declaring "There, now you can work it out for yourself."

Take all the time you want and ask LOUDmouth to help you if needed. Good luck!

LOUDmouth,

Why don't you have a go and put the reason Foxy gave for the Democrats selecting Harris as Biden's running mate into one sentence.

It's in her comments. All you need to do is put it in one sentence.

Dear Joe,

The facts are obvious as to why Kamala Harris was
chosen. They've been stated repeatedly. I was simply
losing patience with - Mr O.

However, this does not change the facts regarding
Kamala Harris and her qualifications, experience,
and suitability for the job. I wish her and Biden well.
Hopefully they will succeed in removing Trump from office.

Foxy,

I'm guessing you'll give me the one sentence answer I'm after when hell freezes over.

LOUDmouth,

By the looks of it I won't be getting a one-liner from Foxy and it looks like she has left you holding the can.

You're wondering how much time you have to give me the one sentence reason? You guessed it: any time between now and when hell freezes over.

Come on LOUDmouth! I'm counting on you to do what Foxy can't.

Dear Joe,

Try not to be a fly on the sticky paper of Mr Opinion's
provocation.
(smile).

The Democrats chose Harris because ...............................................................
MrOpinion,
As you won't get an answer from our resident Rose-coloured glasses wearer, I'll finish it !
The Democrats chose Harris because they're hoping she'll fill the quota !

Kamala Harris must be a good choice, she's got the forums 'Usual Suspects' frothing at the mouth. That's a good enough endorsement for me.

With the Dangerous Doctor Donald calling the shots America has over 5 million Donald Flu cases and 170,000 deaths. Is The Donald still claiming it as one of his great success stories of his reign of terror.

Well, at least Donny has the decency not to resort to Tokenism !

MO,

"The Democrats chose Kamala Harris because."..she scares the hell out of the Big T!

For myself, she quite looks the part - not really like a lawyer at all, but more a bit of a 'Meghan' look-alike, and that's got to be a reasonable place to start.

And, she's got Joe looking years younger already - the woman's touch you know, always works a treat.
Joe may even be looking more composed?

There's no end to the 'magic' a good looking young woman can conjure, especially if she's also highly intelligent, accomplished, modest, and somewhat fluent in political acumen.

A good thing she's married too - broadens her appeal to an even greater portion of the US public, and sets a good example for all the BLM hopefuls out there.

A female Obama?

The best of British to the two of them - because they've got the job ahead of them. Fingers crossed.

Dear Saltpetre,

Having lived and worked in the United States and having
experienced the culture and observed first-hand -
the politics, I think that your summation is pretty
close to the mark.

what worries me is that
the outdated American electoral system will not reflect
the true views of the nation.
However, I also shall keep my fingers-crossed that this
time around more people will actually turn up to vote.
That more will care about the damage their country
has experienced - under the current leadership.

When we lived and worked in the United States it was
a different country to what it is today. I would like
to see the America we knew and loved return.

Kamala's come a long way from publically stating that she believed the women accusing Biden of violating them.

There there is Trump, who violates porn stars, and then pays to keep them quite.

I thought she was African American until I looked her up on Wiki just now ?

individual,

Yes, going off the web it looks like she is Indian-Jamaican-American.

Or, is that Jamaican-Indian-American?

No, on second thoughts make that American-Indian-Jamaican.

Wait a minute, how about American=Jamaican-Indian.

This is so confusing. God! Don't you just hate multiculturalism. But wait a minute, America doesn't practise multiculturalism!

if Kamala had any decency the usual suspects here on olo would not support her. She was happy to support fake lies against Kavanagh and be sponspored by the baby killing industry. What role model for your daughters. Certainly been part of the putried swamp for a long time. I suppose she can get Jussie Smollet to campaign for her and they nhave much in common.

Foxy, You should have said about voters,"That more will care about the damage their country has experienced - during the current leadership". Caused by Democrats attempts to impeach, defund the Police and Antifa's rioting to burn down Federal courts, businesses, flags, bibles and Churches; and rewrite history.

America is currently a very unstable society and civil war will break out if the Republicans win in 2020.
http://www.glennbeck.com/radio/remember-these-kamala-harris-moments-five-videos-show-why-the-biden-vp-is-so-unpopular

civil war will break out if the Republicans win in 2020.
Josephus,
And, who would start this war ? The Democrats not the republicans !

Individual,

Interesting: so, whenever a woman is ever chosen as a party's presidential, vice-presidential, or congress candidate, that's tokenism. There can be no such thing as choosing a woman on merit, since they have none, not compared to that of the natural rulers of the universe ?

Misopionated,

In response to your request for a child's one-line definition of something or other (which you can probably find on Junior-Wikipedia), whenever you're in Adelaide, please drop around and kiss my hairy arse.

Joe

Individual,

Why should the Democrats start any civil war ? They'll win the November presidential election on a Biden-Harris ticket comfortably. Goodbye Pussy Man. Though I suppose he'll barricade himself down in his bunker, well-stocked with toilet paper: he's going to need it. And of course his collection of Action Komiks.

It will be the ratbags and their semi-fascist militias which won't recognise the outcome and threaten civil war if they don't get their way.

But we can expect a storm of comments like yours - no non-white non-male can ever hope to be representative of the US, so they'll never be anything but a token in the eyes of racists - up until she is part of the winning team on polling day.

Joe

It will be the ratbags and their semi-fascist militias which won't recognise the outcome and threaten civil war if they don't get their way.
loudmouth2,
Well, that's what they've been doing with Trump but why would they do to their own ? But if they lose they will start a serious conflict if we can go by recent behaviour/mentality !

See if you can spot the corrupt practices that Trumpf is advocating in this article:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/donald-trump-blocks-pandemic-funding-in-order-to-prevent-expanded-postal-vote

In the US, presidential elections are set for the first Tuesday (why Tuesday ? Wouldn't a Saturday be more sensible ?) in November, in later Autumn/early Winter. A Tuesday in early Winter. What geniuses cooked that one up ?

Of course, Trumpf wants to REQUIRE people to vote on a Tuesday in early Winter during a pandemic. Did I mention geniuses ? Of course he is - anything to discourage people from voting at all would help him rig this election.

So he says to Congress, pass this or fewer funds to fight the pandemic. Don't worry, Runner, he'll be all right, down in his bunker.

And guess who is voting on-line this year ? Why, the Lone Ranger himself (oops, I accidentally typed 'franger'). Can others do the same as he is doing ? No.

So get ready for few voting machines, and somehow broken machines, in Democrat/Black/Ethnic areas, and plenty in affluent areas.

Still, he might he a stinking turd of a human being, but I suppose he's Individual's and Runner's stinking turd. Only 82 days to go (our time), folks.

Joe

loudmouth2,
If being desperately off target would cause headaches you'd be screaming in pain 24/7.
Trump's not the answer but he did show what the answer is, drain that swamp !
No Democrat could ever see or rather chooses not to that ! That's why they're prepared to bring the US to t's knees at all costs except theirs !
If Trump had just an ounce of charisma he'd roll the hypocritical Democrats & their blood sucking supporters in a blink of an eye. Trump's shortcoming is his personality, nothing else. In the capable Dept he trumps the Progressives full stop !
If Biden gets in they'll have an excuse of him being ill to get Harris in just to claim they got the first female POTUS, that's what it's all about. Ivanka will remove her eventually !

LOUDmouth,

It's alright if you cannot put together a one sentence with Foxy's reason as to why the Democrats chose Harris as Biden's running mate.

Because neither can Foxy.

Individual,

With Trumpf's past history of working with shady characters around the casino and real estate businesses, do you really think, seriously, that Trumpf hasn't attempted to replace whatever swamp was there in 2016 with his own ?

Real estate, and casinos: how much more potentially - potentially - corrupt can you get ? Used car salesmen ? Snake-oil salesmen ? Evangelists ? No, that's getting a bit too low, even for Trumpf. Then again, he acted like one on his 'TV Show for Dumb Hicks'.

Do you really think we haven't seen a revolving door of Trumpf's cronies into powerful positions ? People who slip him a few million, then are appointed to powerful positions, for example, head of the Postal Service ?

Are you that blind ?

Joe

Paul,

That Kamala has been chosen as Biden's running mate when she has stated clearly that she believes Biden is a sexual molester doesn't seem to bother anyone?

Kamala seems intelligent even though she is slightly right of Hitler (who was a socialist)

SM,

When Muhammad Ali fought against formidable opponents, Liston or Frazier or Foreman, they all went at it 100 %. Then, at the end of the 15th (if they lasted that long), they hugged and went back to their corners.

Any form of competition throws up serious opponents between competitors. So what's new ?

If you were Harris, wouldn't you think this is the sweetest form of 'coming second' out of a dozen competitors ? That he could be President in a couple of years ?

Welcome to the actual world, SM :)

Joe

It should be quite obvious as to why Joe Biden chose
Senator Kamala Harris as his running mate. She stands
for the same values and ideals as he does and they are
in sinc (simpatico) with each other politically
and the direction that Biden plans to take America.

She like he - believes in fighting for the rights of all
communities. Since taking office Harris has introduced and
co-sponsored legislation to raise wages for working people,
reform the criminal justice system, make healthcare a right
for all Americans, address the epidemic of substance abuse,
support veterans and military families and expand access to childcare for working families.

Harris has worked tirelessly to hold corporations accountable
and protects the countries most vulnerable people. Over
the course of her nearly two terms in office she has won a
$25 billion settlement for California homeowners hit by the
foreclosure crisis, she has defended California's landmark
climate change laws, protected the Affordable Care Act,
helped win marriage equality for all Californians and
prosecuted transnational gangs that trafficked in guns,
drugs, and human beings.

A better running mate would be hard to find. And as Saltpetre
pointed out - she probably scares the heck out of
Trump. What more did Biden need?

Just listened to a couple of African Americans say Kamala Harris being Asian Indian does not represent them.

The "Walk Away" movement in America is gaining ground among Democratic States as the extremes of the Party no longer represent them. Local residents and Police are chasing Antifa protesters out of towns and cities.

Foxy,

From your post above it now looks like you think:

The Democrats chose Harris because her political views and ideals align closely with those of Biden.

It's just too bad I was the one who had to put it together for you instead of your buddy FOULmouth (aka LOUDmouth).

So we now have three reasons for the Democrats selecting Harris as Biden's running mate.

Can anyone think of a fourth? (FOULmouth excluded of course because of the disgusting language he uses.)

Are you that blind ?

Loudmouth2,
No, I'm not ! Nor am I blind like you not to see the corruption that are the hypocritical Progressives.
I have always maintained that when it comes to managing, a competent crook outshines an idealist do-gooder anytime !
No good saying Trump is shady when his opposition is not only shady but completely in the dark !
What you need to ask yourself is; would people rather work for a rich bloke & earn a wage or would they prefer to be out of work because they put their trust into incompetent hypocritical do-gooder bureaucrats ?
Also, not everyone is on the Public Service bandwagon, most people actually work & produce instead of just play Solitaire on the Govt computers & drink coffee !

No other candidate scored as highly with Mr Biden's
selection committee on so many of their core criteria
for choosing a running mate. What impressed Mr Biden
about Kamala Harris were the following points:

1) Her strength as a debater.

2) Her proven qualifications for governing.

3) The racial diversity she would bring to the ticket.

4) No other candidate matched the political moment better.

5) Her family link to the Biden family -
unmatched by any other
candidate. Her friendship with Joe Biden's elder son -
Beau, who died from cancer in 2015.

Foxy,

You have given us your one line reason so no need to waffle on. I have accepted the reason you presented even though I had to write it myself.

It's interesting the choice that Americans have at the
next election. We've pretty much covered the Biden
Harris team in this discussion. And we know what Trump
represents. Mike Pence is a bit of an unknown. He's been
in office for 15 years, first as a Member of Congress and
then since 2013 as Indiana's Governor. He was picked as
Trump's vice president because he was considered a safe
choice, as a long standing Republican official with close
ties both to the party establishment and grass roots.

His conservative credentials stand him in good stead with
the rich donors. Pence is an Evangelical Christian and he
was an early supporter of the Tea Party Movement.

Each President who has held the office has brought to it
a unique style. Each style reflects a President's character.

The American voters will have to decide who they will elect.
A president must somehow symbolize what American citizens
believe to be the essence of their country. The President must
represent what is valued now and in the past, but even more
importantly they must embody the direction of America's
future. They must decide which team has:

1) A strong vision for the future.
2) Crisis management skills.
3) Character and integrity.
4) Ability to work with Congress.
5) Make Wise appointments.
6) Effective communication skills.
7) The courage to make unpopular decisions.
8) An ability to put their own times in the perspective
of history.
9) Keep their promises.
10) Answer questions.

And the list goes on. From all this the choice does not
seem so complex.

Mr Opinion,

Numbering the pages, does not count as writing.

Nice try though.

Foxy,

Depends if you number them in French or Italian.

Mr Opinion,

They're still numbers.

Not if you number them correctly.

Foxy

Biden is not strong on any one of the criteria you set out.

As for the boxing analogy, Kamala's accusation was one shot well below the belt. She is now open to being asked whether she still believes that Biden is a sexual predator.

That time Tulsi Gabbard destroyed Harris' run for president with a few simple facts.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxHORNMWPmg

That time Harris was forced by the Supreme Court to release prisoners....
http://thecrimereport.org/2020/08/04/under-kamala-harris-ca-resisted-order-to-free-inmates/

That time Harris protected a corrupt crime lab and tried to keep people in jail despite tainted evidence but was forced to do the right thing....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/crime-lab-scandal-rocked-kamala-harriss-term-as-san-francisco-district-attorney/2019/03/06/825df094-392b-11e9-a06c-3ec8ed509d15_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

That time Harris tried to hide and defend the use of a false confession....
http://observer.com/2015/03/california-prosecutor-falsifies-transcript-of-confession/

There's lots more about this utterly flawed candidate but most here don't want to hear that their new idol has feet of clay. They're already desperately asking Mr Google to tell them why they should continue to believe Kamala is a saint.

Karmala Harris only received 4% of the Black vote compared to 40% for Joe Biden at the Presidential selection.

Folks those of you who prefer the Trump team are more
than welcome to do so. To me rationality dictates
that anything but the Trump team is a safer option.
But to each their own choices.

I started this discussion to broaden our views on the
topic. Obviously I expected too much from some of you.

Thank You for your comments - the same noise makers will
continue with their inane attempts at point scoring.
I shall leave them to it.

Have a nice day y' all.

Take care.

cont'd ...

Here's the man who's making America "great" :

http://www.cheezburger.com/5538565/15-of-the-most-tremendous-donald-trump-memes

Gotta Lurv it!

Foxy,
And here's the one who wants to ruin it all !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKJYPBNB1Yk

Individual,

I don't think anybody can ruin this:

http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/donald-trump-quotes-57213

Well, lookie there.

Foxy's more than happy to hang for days while she can talk about how wonderful Kamala is. But as soon as some counter information is posted, she's outta here.

She wanted to " broaden our views on the topic" but she'd much prefer to not have them broadened in that direction.

Normally at this point Foxy would have ducked off to Mr Google and found some Democrat sycophant to tell us how really wonderful Kamala is and how all the other stuff is part of the vast right-wing conspiracy and then declare herself vindicated. Seems Mr Google let her down this time.

______________________________________________________________

To lighten the sombre mood, a coupla jokes doing the rounds...

Reporter: "Mr Biden, do you wear boxers or jockey underwear?"
Joe: "Depends". (if explanation needed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depend_(undergarment)

Reporter: "Mr Biden, do you think a black women will ever become president?"
Joe: "Over my dead body".

On the political policy spectrum of right to left, Kamala Harris ranks left between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

In a news poll which shows Joe Biden leading Trump
53% to 45% among registered voters more than half of
those who supported Biden say the main reason was that
he's NOT Trump.

People mostly like Biden or at least they say
they're going to vote for him because - well just
because he isn't Trump.

While plenty of people including Democrats
might wish for a more inspirational or charismatic choice
than Biden - when faced with a straight up choice of
Biden or Trump, voters are going for Biden.

And if that happens - Joe Biden will be the next President
of the United States.

1) Trump when asked what was his favourite room in the
White House said:

"After the Roosevelt Room and the Lincoln Bedroom his
favourite room in the White House was the Oval Office.
He thinks that President Oval was a - really, really
great President".

2) After visiting Canada for a meeting of the G7, Donald
Trump remarked that it was " a really, really, great
overseas trip".

3) After being advised to put trade tariffs on China and
aluminium - Trump said he'd heard of China but which continent
was aluminium on?

Come on Foxy! What comedian are you watching? Stop watching SBS and ABC and listen to the man in person.

The facts on his ability to bring peace to nations, including the agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia. Which your poster boy Obama never attempted.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump+speech+youtube&docid=607987190978775607&mid=F5C7A6EDAAFF3545771EF5C7A6EDAAFF3545771E&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump+speech+youtube+on+Israel+Saudi+agrement&docid=608041539537535639&mid=5D1D7E5F94615743E2CE5D1D7E5F

Dear Josephus,

It's you who needs to come on.

"The Trump administration announced a deal this week
between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, which
was immediately hailed as "an historic day for peace
in the Middle East" by Mike Pompeo's State Department.

A flurry of similar analyses framed the deal as "a big
win for Trump" and a "geopolitical earthquake".

That was exactly the point of this deal: a lot of publicity
for the deal makers, but not much substance to the deal.

In fact, this "breakthrough" is mostly a PR boost for the
3 leaders involved: US President Donald Trump, Israeli PM
Benjamin Netanyahu and Mohamed bin Zayed, crown prince of
Abu Dhabi.

Meanwhile the costs will be borne by the one party not
involved in the arrangement, the Palestinians.

There's more at the following link:

http://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/trump-mideast-israel-uae-deal-395567

Is Trump planning to enlist help from his mate Alexander Lukashenko from Belarus to organise his reelection? I wouldn't put it past him. The Donald is trying every dirty trick he can think of. First its stop Democrats from voting through the mail, by de-funding the post office, then he tries to make out Kamala Harris is an ineligible candidate. The bloke is such a low life, its not funny.

As usual Foxy utterly misunderstands the Israel-UAE agreement and runs of to ask Mr Google to validate her misunderstanding. The agreement has been a long time coming (I wrote about it back in 2018) and is related to increased Arab preparedness to side with Israel against Iran.

Usually Foxy runs to the New York Times to validate her erroneous views. But somehow she missed this summary of the importance that Trump has wrought....

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/13/opinion/israel-uae.html

________________________________________________________________

Foxy listed 10 things that the president should represent to the people. Number 10... "Answer questions."

http://twitter.com/AmericaRising/status/1294268122317422592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1294268122317422592%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2Fwatch-biden-repeatedly-refuses-to-answer-reporters-questions-trump-shreds-him

Oh dear!

________________________________________________________________

Kudos to Paul. Rarely do we see so many errors in one paragraph. It takes a special level of delusion to achieve it....

"his[Trump's] mate Alexander Lukashenko.

Trump has been hard on Belarus. But Paul dislikes both men so they must be mates. That's the level of 'thinking'.

"de-funding the post office".
No defunding has occurred. The issue is EXTRA funding.

" tries to make out Kamala Harris is an ineligible candidate"
No. He answered a question (see above) about an article written by someone else that she's ineligible under the constitution.

Paul's so twisted by his hatred of the Orange Man that he can't see straight.

And the list goes on.
Foxy,
And so it should like, progressives should stop sabotaging everything the incumbent wants to do for the betterment of his Nation.
They should stop being parasites living off those they despise !
And so, the list goes on !

" tries to make out Kamala Harris is an ineligible candidate"
No. He answered a question (see above) about an article written by someone else that she's ineligible under the constitution.

mhaze "It was a clear attempt by Trump to stir controversy and divert attention from his inept handling of the coronavirus pandemic and the more than 168,000 American deaths."

I see Trumps brother Robert Trump has died, not disclosing the cause, was it cornovirus, did he have side effects from taking hydroxychloroquine, or had he overdosed on disinfectant? Maybe The Donald can tell us, he's the expert.

Paul,

It seems Robert was a much nicer bloke than the Lone Ranger, much more human, much less of a spoilt child and a bully.

I wonder if there some sort of syndrome, or personality type, who loves the bully, the braggart, the brute, the philanderer and/or the big kid born with the silver spoon, i.e. someone who worships the abuser of power. Sounds crazy, I know, but we seem to have some here.

To creatures like Trumpf, compassion, empathy and human support are alien weaknesses, only for wimps.

Only 79 more days to go .......

Joe {Foulmouth]

For all you Trump Lovin Twerps (TLTs) out there. Language warning - http://youtu.be/dpIkl2QnJeI

______________________

Well said Joe

Continue to keep on keeping OLO's TLTs honest.

Cheers

Pete

A report on Kamala Harris by Trumps Campaign organiser. She is not up to the position of developing international relations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ak4TeeDVhQ&pp=wgIECgIIAQ%3D%3D&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=zGJKZv_-m97dC8zU%3A6

Trump Lovers please note: http://youtu.be/2UueGetlwpw?t=1m52s

What Jose' Kamala Harris is not capable of starting WWIII like The Donald could.

Joe, Adolf Hitler got tens of thousands of love letters and marriage proposals from women all over the Reich. Was it his jolly personality or the cute little moustache, we'll never know.

Paul1405,

Sein gross Wurst!

Thank you to all contributors!

Mr Opinion,

Er hat so eine kleine Wurst!

Mr Opinion,

Trump hat so ein kleines Gehirn und Wurst!

Paul said "It was a clear attempt by Trump to stir controversy...."

So it therefore WASN'T what you originally claimed..."tries to make out Kamala Harris is an ineligible candidate".

Thanks for the confirmation. Let me know what else you need me to set you straight on.

_________________________________________________________________

Just to cause further confusion for Foxy's utter misunderstanding of the Trump inspired Israel/UAE agreement, Bahrain, Egypt and Oman have also endorsed and welcomed the deal. According to Foxy's 'logic' they must all be trying to help Trump get elected.

America and the world will be so much better served if Trump falls in a heap at this election - nothing can be more certain.

Biden and Harris saviours of a troubled world? No, not really, but the alternative is just too ridiculous to contemplate.

Who knows what surprises the puerile Trump mind might yet conceive in his imperialistic drive to achieve historical relevance. Afterall, he only shot for the Presidency in the first instance as a means to make history and to achieve greater prominence - mostly in his own mind. And, what 'debts' to various world powers and powerful individuals are yet to be honoured - irrespective of America's (and the world's) genuine best interests?

No-one should trust a leader who 'shoots from the hip' (and the mouth), so often without serious evaluation; who has to rely on scripted notes to convey information on 'serious' matters (which scripts have been carefully composed by serious, and obviously worried, behind-the-scenes advisors - trying desperately to keep the 'T' under some semblance of integrity and credibility).

Such a muddled intellect has no place as 'commander in chief' or as notional leader of the free world, or, realistically, even as the lackey who polishes the commander's boots.

If there is any common sense remaining in the so evidently scrambled brains of the US populace, required justice will be duly served.

I think Johannes Leek cartoon summed up the putried state of the democrats.

https://www.news.com.au/national/johannes-leak-cartoon-highlighted-joe-bidens-offensive-language/video/44d3d7825667448b9abbd965d608809f

Oh dear so offensive at least until to see how the degenerates treat Candace Owens then you realise what a joke they are.

mhaze,

I don't know why you keep banging on about the
Trump "peace deal" when it's so obvious as to what
it really is. Here's a link from Antony Loewenstein
a journalist and author based in Israel - who wrote
the best seller - "My Israel Question", he knows what
he's talking about:

http://www.antonyloewenstein.com/trumps-middle-east-plan-demands-palestinian-subjugation/

And here's another take on the topic:

http://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/trump-mideast-israel-uae-deal-395567

cont'd ...

My apologies for the typo. Here's the link again:

http://www.antonyloewenstein.com/trumps-middle-east-peace-plan-demands-palestinian-subjugation/

Foxy,

Your lowenstien link fails....a does Lowenstien. I've warned you about believing anything he says before, but I guess if he says what you want to hear then that's OK.

Did you read the Friedman link I sent earlier? Friedman is no friend of Trump but is able to see what the agreement really is.

By the way, if the agreement is so bad and just a means to help Trump get elected, why is Sleepy Joe trying to take credit for it? Don't worry Foxy, we don't expect you to answer uncomfortable questions.

Mhaze,

Both:

As Paul said, "It was a clear attempt by Trump to stir controversy...."

AND Trumpf's contemptible attempt

"to make out Kamala Harris is an ineligible candidate".

Not either/or: both. Can you understand that ?

So Kamala Harris is a citizen ? Yes.

And she was born in the US, i.e. she is natural-born ? Yes.

So she's a natural-born US citizen.

Was she competent in her position as California's attorney-general ?
Seems so.

Was she soft on crime ? Not particularly, except insofar as she opposes the death penalty.

Has she committed any indiscretions, like grabbing some eye-candy bloke by the nuts ? No. Even though, as one could infer from Trumpf's similar forays and bragging, she could have.

Does she curse on TV and at rallies. like Trumpf ? No.

Does she support racists like the KKK ? No.

Does she have long-term links to the Mafia ? No.

As a cosmopolitan, with ancestry and relations in various parts of the world, is she likely to be au fait with international affairs ? Of course. She probably even knows where Finland is, which would be an improvement. And no, she probably wouldn't want to buy Greenland or Iceland. Or Finland either. She's probably aware even that Australians speak English. She smart. And she wear mask. She brave.

On the above grounds, if I were a US citizen, I would be very happy and relieved to vote for her as V-P, with Biden as President. She would be his steadying hand.

Joe

mhaze,

You think you are correct.
I think you are not correct.
I don't believe in any further discussion
with a person who totally disrespects me.
Life is too short. As for your questions being
uncomfortable? Nah. merely drivel. For them to
make me uncomfortable - I would have to respect
your opinion.

Now back to the topic.

Dear Saltpetre,

I would like to see America return to its traditional
values. To traditional statesmanship and leadership.
Joe Biden strikes me as a man with fundamental decency.
A man with experience in office - who's now running
for the top job.

Trump on the other hand is a candidate who you don't know
what he stands for. He switches positions so quickly. He
does not listen to anybody. Personally he is dangerous.
Someone on the web described him as - "Plutonium".
You don't know if it will heat your home or blow up your
town.

An incompetent man who should never have been elected to
office in the first place.

I agree with you - that by some miracle - all we can hope
for is that Americans will finally see through this man
and hurl him out.

Fingers-crossed.

Dear Saltpetre,

I've come across an article in "The Atlantic",
March 13, 2020, by Peter Wehner who tells us that:

"It is taking longer than it should have but
hopefully Americans will finally see the con man
behind the curtain."

Wehner tell us that "Trump is fundamentally UNFIT -
intellectually, morally, temperamentally, and
psychologically for office."

"For me this is the paramount consideration in electing
a president, in part because at some point it's
reasonable to expect that a president will face an unexpected
crisis - and at that point the president's judgement and
discernment, his character and leadership ability will
really matter."

"Trump has no desire whatsoever to acquaint himself with
most issues, let alone master them. No major presidential
candidate has ever been quite as disdainful of knowledge, as
indifferent to facts, as untroubled by his benightedness."

"Trump's virulent combination of ignorance, emotional
instability, demagogy, solipsism, and vindictiveness would
do more than result in a failed presidency. It could well
lead to a national catastrophe."

"The prospect of Donald Trump as commander in chief should
send a chill down the spine of every American".

There's more at the following link:

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/

Foxy it is obvious you hate Trump based on Media reports by Democrat supporters character assassinations.

I dislike the Biden / Harris team based on their policy of funding abortion which is focused on African American genocide. While in the Senate, he voted on to ban certain late-term abortion procedure as recently as 2003. He will abandoning the gas and oil industry, proposed taking American agriculture to net-zero emissions by “dramatically” expanding a voluntary USDA conservation program that pays farmers, under five-year contracts, to adopt certain practices — though he didn’t specify how much this would cost or set a target date. He also said the program should be part of new carbon markets by allowing corporations, individuals and foundations to contribute funding to offset their emissions. Eliminate past convictions for marijuana crimes.

They stand by the Antifa violence as they believe is supports their socialist cause to unseat Trump. His record of racial segreation of African Americans.

Dear Josephus,

Attitudes towards Trump appear to be chiefly driven
by his personality not by policy or ideology. He's
a man who as explained earlier does not listen to
anybody. I find that personally dangerous in a world
leader and as I stated he's like - plutonium. You
don't know if it will eat your home or blow up your
town.

Anyone but Trump - is my catch cry.
And no - I don't hate the man. It's just
that the prospect of him
being re-elected as commander in chief of the US does
send a chill down my spine.

Excellent speech from Michelle Obama delivered online during the Democrat Convention. She slammed Trump as President, saying he's in over his head.

Joe Biden is being lobbied to support the Green New Deal, which is based on the premise White People have caused destruction to the Planet and exploited Black people. The Marxist Sunrise Movement starts by educating young children to be radical and riot and burn down White Businesses. Currently they are entering white neighbourhoods demanding their houses or they will burn them down. Which they have done, with residents inside!

http://www.lifegate.com/sunrise-movement

When Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rolled out her “Green New Deal,” many thought she was the brainchild behind the plan to fundamentally reorient our country away from capitalism and towards socialism.

And while Ocasio-Cortez has been integral to promoting this dangerous brand of environmental-socialism, there’s a potentially more sinister group working behind the scenes – the “Sunrise Movement.”

They call themselves an “army” that is at “war” fighting in the name of extreme environmentalism. They say the United States has become a “rogue nation” by promoting its energy industry. And they’re making the “Green New Deal” and its socialist takeover of America their signature issue.

The “Sunrise Movement” gained notoriety for occupying Nancy Pelosi’s office soon after the 2018 midterms to push for radical climate action, joining forces with Ocasio-Cortez. Senator Ed Markey, the lead Senate sponsor of the “Green New Deal,” even invited a Sunrise Movement troop as his guest to the State of the Union.

In his latest effort to court left-wing voters, Joe Biden announced that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will be co-chairwoman of his campaign task force on climate change.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-teams-up-with-aoc-for-climate-task-force

Dear Josephus,

Instead of worrying about Joe Biden and what may
or may not happen - take a look at what the con
man Donald Trump is doing to win the election. His
latest scam regarding the US postal service so that
postal votes wouldn't get in, in time. How desperate
is this man to win. It's insane if people can't see
him for the crook that he is.

Foxy, The Democrats are refusing to pass his proposals to assist businesses affected by Covid-19, so it goes both ways.

Donald Trump says he would agree to Democrats' calls for new funding for the United States Postal Service to deal with mass mail-in ballots if they agree to more of his demands in stalled talks about a fifth coronavirus relief bill.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-post-office-mail-in-ballots-2020-election-usps-a9671571.html

Dear Josephus,

The truth of the matter is - that Trump has long railed
against mail-in voting FALSELY claiming it leads to
fraud.

However what he said was that he would not VETO a
coronavirus relief bill just because it included support
for the postal service.

However he continued to push the unsubstantiated claim that
voting by mail would lead to an abuse of the system.

Get your facts straight.

Foxy,

You are so fixated on Trump that you are blind to Biden's faults. I watched a video of him 4 years ago as an articulate and skilled orator. Compare this to today and without a script, he forgets his lines his diction and even where he is.

The BububuBiden today is a shell of himself and anyone should be alarmed at electing a dementia victim irrespective of his laudable past.

Dear Shadow Minister,

I am aware of Biden's mishaps but they are minute
compared to the con man who's currently in the
White House. Biden does listen to advice and he will
continue to do so. Trump does not, and he will continue
to not do so. I think Biden is a safer pair of hands.
It's as simple as that.

African Americans do not support Kamila Harris because of her hard line on small time crimes.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12387006/leo-terrell-slams-kamala-harris-for-joe-bidens-vp/

Dear Josephus,

Thank you for the link and it should not come as
any surprise as to why some African Americans
would be a bit wary of the former prosecutors
strong anti-crime stance in California. We need
to only look at the context of past crime waves
that occurred there to understand her stance.
Even though she was not personally responsible
for the passing of the laws.

Her record on crime is a totally responsible one
and as I said - should be taken in context.
The following link from the Los Angeles Times
explains:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-24/kamala-harris-california-crime

Wow, our far right forum fruits are getting desperate. One suggests; "The BububuBiden today is a shell of himself and anyone should be alarmed at electing a dementia victim". By default he's suggesting its better to vote for Trump, a total nincompoop who at times is incoherent, and lacking any degree of cognisance. If Daffy Duck was The Donald's opponent then it would be a close call? Daffy would win, narrowly.

Jose', yep spot on, "African Americans do not support Kamila Harris", and just as many people of colour are clambering to join the KKK. Pull the other leg!

Optimism Biden has it in the bag can still be dashed.

UNFORTUNATELY, and unlike Australia, the US has no nationwide apolitical Electoral Commission to prevent low life Trump from cheating.

Trump can bribe and threaten the vulnerable 50 State electoral administrations and key Congressman into a rigged election. This is recalling Trump has the morals of a mafioso. Recall Russian oligarchs+Putin laundering money by buying up Trump properties and never forget Trump's casino kingpin history.

Trump can again collect dirt on his opponents. Russian and Wikileaks HACKING that collected dirt in 2016 is now being directed at Biden, Harris and Swing/Battlegound/Toss Up Districts/Congressman.

So even if Biden is 7.6% ahead in the polls - see http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Trump may only need to win a majority of "Toss Up" States/Districts/Electoral Votes - colored Brown here http://www.270towin.com/

- to win on November 4th (Australian time).

I'm still hoping for a miracle that somehow
Trump will lose. I know it's probably futile.
But I like to think that somehow sanity will
prevail - and justice will be served.

Dear Foxy,

Take heart, there is a multitude of factors one way or the other.

I don't see Trump taking any sort of national responsibility for combatting the virus - he'll leave it up to the States (whatever happened to Truman's "The Buck Stops Here" sign ?).

So the daily numbers of deaths will hover around a thousand, and the total number will keep rising at around thirty thousand a month, Or around eighty thousand between now and Nov 4th (our time).

Many Republican congresspeople are getting edgy about their chances of re-election, and might jump whichever way the wind blows.

Do you really think that Trump will do anything positive, or constructive between now and Nov 4th ? Isn't he more likely to try all manner of dirty tricks, denying people the vote in any way he can, bribing congressional districts with funds if .... , etc. ?

It seems as if the States are taking it upon themselves to encourage masks, social distancing, etc., and tighter lock-downs, in spite of Trump and his disinfectant cures. The US will get through all this, but no thanks to the no-tricks show-pony.

Joe

Dear Joe,

Of course you're right. The man will do whatever it
takes to win. Things will get nasty - things will
get worse. And what scares me the most is that the
man will get re-elected.

As I said - all I can do is pray for a miracle.
Or for the fact that Americans have not been totally
Trumpified. That there are decent people left on both sides
of the divide.

Foxy,

Maybe just keep your eye on what you might call the spectrum from Mario Rubio to Paul Ryan to Ted Cruz to Mitch McConnell, to see which way one or other of politicians like these move. Re-election this year would be on some of their minds, and 2024 would be in the thoughts of the younger ones.

It seems as if the Postmaster has buckled somewhat and declared that he won't cut back on postal services, as Trumfp would be demanding. Maybe he has some sort of back-bone, or even morality (although I hesitate to use that neglected word in relation to the fetid Trumpf Swamp) in addition to his contribution millions.

The virus is probably really seeping into the back-blocks of the US, where health facilities would be worst, so we may see a reaction out in the sticks against Trumpf's idiocies and inaction.

Hang in there :)

Love,

Joe

Dear Joe,

Thank You. As always your encouraging words have a
calming effect and are greatly appreciated.
I hope that you're right and that things will work
out for America. I would hate to see it crumble
from the great nation it was and could be again
under the right leadership.

Are folks now realising that America is as democratic as the old Soviet Union. A well known Commo from my union days once said to me, back in the 70's in a pub in Sydney, over several schooners one long and entertaining afternoon; "Son... the difference between the USSR and the USA...Well the Russians are full of BS, and they know it...the Americans are full of BS, but they don't know it." He was right. Trump, Biben, trying for the lesser of two evils as far as I am concerned. One will get in, note I didn't say elected, yep get in, that's what it is.

so so funny if not so sick for Bill Clinton to be lecturing Trump about how to run the whitehouse. Maybe he should be telling his mate Joe where not to put his unwanted fingers. You could not make this stuff up.

Bill Clinton has every right to lecture Trump on
how to run the country. After all Clinton -
economically was an incredibly successful president.
He inherited one of the worst economic recessions in
American history, yet managed to balance the budget
creating a surplus of $235 billion, decrease poverty
by a third, and lower unemployment from 7.9% to just
4%. Economically Bill Clinton was the most successful
president America has had in a long time.

He's entitled to give advice to the con man that's
currently in office, if he so chooses. Although why
bother - the man only listens to his own voice.

As for the allegations of sexual abuse against Joe
Biden? Unlike the current president's debauched history,
the allegations against Mr Biden have not been proven.
And are just that - mere allegations. Many of whom have
re-tracted their statements.

Shows how desperate and sick runner is trying to defend
a sleazy con man.
Pathetic!

'Shows how desperate and sick runner is trying to defend
a sleazy con man.
Pathetic!'

actually Foxy shows how you are willing to defend Epstein's great mate Bill and his enabling wife Hilary. You must be proud of yourself. So much for your fake concern for child abuse.

Kamala Harris is descendent from a Jamaican Slave Owner of over 200 slaves. Will she appeal to the African Americans?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLPPoRuZjx4&pp=wgIECgIIAQ%3D%3D&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=MrS382_EWh4UsAZN%3A6

runner,

And you're defending Epstein's great mate Trump
who met his wife Melania through Epstein.
Quid pro quo!
Again, pathetic!

Dear Josephus,

Just goes to show how nasty this is going to get
in the US. Trump and Co. will use whatever dirty
tactics they can . And you're buying into it hook,
line, and sinker. Being a descendent of Jamaican slaves
will have more appeal than to most people - than going
as camera and asking the Russians to help you get elected
which is what Trump has done in a recent documentary
shown on TV.

Josephus & Foxy,

It's keeping me awake at night: by the end of the year, will there be enough room in Russia for BOTH Lucashenko AND Trumpf ?

Perhaps not, not in a million years, now that - at the other end of the political spectrum - Navalny is being so easily poisoned. So where else can they go ?

No honour among thieves :)

Joe

Foxy, you believe what your position tells you, with this quote, "Being a descendent of Jamaican slaves will have more appeal than to most people.' Obviously you did not hear the UTube clip in which her ancestors were Jamaican slave owners. Satisfies Democrats who fought against releasing Slaves. They want to keep African Americans in the Plantation.

snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-ancestor
In his Jamaica Global article, Harris [Kamala's father] claimed to be descended from the 19th-century planter and slave owner Hamilton Brown. He wrote:

“My roots go back, within my lifetime, to my paternal grandmother Miss Chrishy (née Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown who is on record as plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown’s Town) and to my maternal grandmother Miss Iris (née Iris Finegan, farmer and educator, from Aenon Town and Inverness, ancestry unknown to me). The Harris name comes from my paternal grandfather Joseph Alexander Harris, land-owner and agricultural ‘produce’ exporter (mostly pimento or all-spice), who died in 1939 one year after I was born and is buried in the church yard of the magnificent Anglican Church which Hamilton Brown built in Brown’s Town (and where, as a child, I learned the catechism, was baptized and confirmed, and served as an acolyte).”

There is no doubt that Hamilton Brown was a prominent plantation owner in Jamaica during the first half of the 19th century, owned slaves, and also advocated against the abolition of slavery and sought to downplay the difficult working and living conditions of slaves in Jamaica.

Josephus,

Do you understand that slave owners commonly had children from their slave women who in turn, of course, became slaves, property, with their fathers/masters' name on them, to be sold at his wish ?

Notice that Harris was talking about people who were born after the abolition of slavery, long after the era of their slave-owning male ancestor, Hamilton Brown, i.e. the violator of their female ancestors ?

Joe

"There is no doubt that Hamilton Brown was a prominent plantation owner in Jamaica during the first half of the 19th century, owned slaves, and also advocated against the abolition of slavery and sought to downplay the difficult working and living conditions of slaves in Jamaica."

Jose' it may well be true that this Hamilton Brown was as you say, a slave owner, which is not disputed, but the claim that he; "advocated against the abolition of slavery and sought to downplay the difficult working and living conditions of slaves in Jamaica." Where is that claim from? Is it a Trump lie, or is it recorded as fact. Since you are quoting from 'Wikipedia' "Brown was active in trying to recruit Irish people to work in Jamaica. In December 1835, 121 people from Ballymoney, Antrim, set off from Belfast for Jamaica on the James Ray, a brig owned by Brown."

The latest from The Donald; supporters should boycott American businesses that are NOT openly supporting his erection. One example is the Goodyear tyre company, accordingly; "Trump has urged his supporters to boycott tyres from Goodyear, tweeting that the Ohio-based company had banned his famous Make America Great Again slogan." Which is another lie from The Donald. The fact is Goodyear have "asked employees to refrain from workplace expressions involving political campaigns (all and any) and "forms of advocacy that fall outside the scope of racial justice and equity issues". So much for the lying Donald.

Dear Josephus,

Do you have any convict ancestry? And if you do - does that
make you a crim today? What does the ancestry of Kamala
Harris have to do with anything? Especially the person that
she is today - and her qualifications for the job she's
seeking? (future vice-president). Surely she should be judged
on her own qualifications for the job and not what has or has not
happened in her ancestry by someone she never knew.

The arguments you are presenting smacks very much of the Trump
trash tactics that he's famous for. Including his attempts
to infer that former President Barack Obama was not born in
America - and even today his suggestions that Kamala Harris's
place of birth is also questionable.

Come on Josephus - surely you're more intelligent than that.
Falling for this kind of nonsense - is only for the
mentally and morally deficient.

Dear Joe and Paul,

That con man in the White House is going to pull every
dirty trick he can. What a reprehensible character.
And it's going to get even nastier. I can no longer watch
the man on TV. I turn off the minute his face appears.
Disgusting man - who demeans every thing that America once
stood for.

Thanks to everyone who've contributed to this discussion.
For me it's now run its course.
It shall be interesting to see what happens in the next
few months and what America decides who they want as their
leader.

I shall keep my fingers-crossed.

Dear Foxy,

I don't think I hate Trump.

It's more like disgust, contempt, horror, disdain for his complete incompetence, even fear of what crazy thing he will suggest next. Resignation that nothing he says or does will be for the people or for his country, his bottom line will always be 'what's in my best interests ?'

Weird. He's really been a complete failure, even as a businessman - someone pointed out that what he was given as a young man, $ 650 million of his own and much control over his father's real estate and casino dealings, and that if he had invested that cash for those 55 years at a good interest rate, he would be worth more now than he is, four billion or so.

I do recall him boasting during his 'debates' with Henry Clifton in 2016 (when he was hovering over her) about how smart he was, to go into bankruptcy four times, in order to minimise his debts. i.e. the 'smarts' of a total bastard.

So he never finished high school. He dodged military service. He never finished even the most basic of university awards (that perhaps even Misopinionated may be close to finishing).

I'm sure psychiatrists find him intriguing - well, there are so many puzzling things about him, and not in a good way - and have him diagnosed pretty well by now. They may even have come together to put forward a thorough and comprehensive assessment of his mental condition.

Joe

For those claiming immunity from past ancestors misdemeanors of slavery, that is not what BLM are overlooking, they want those that have benefited from slavery to repatriate descendants of slaves. If she has inherent wealth it must be shared with families of former slaves, is the policy of BLM.

Dear Joe,

I don't hate Trump either. And I agree with what you've
written. The man is not fit for office.

However, if I was to be completely honest I would have
to admit that I can't rule out the fact that this fraudster
could win the next election. Because the American
presidential elections are decided on a state-by-state
basis, not by the popular vote. As an article in "Newsweek"
pointed out - even if Trump loses California by many
millions of votes - it does not matter. As he'd never
have won that state anyway.

The key swing states will decide this contest and the
president is in play in all of them. National polls should
not be trusted - as we've seen from our own experience.
Biden's choice of Kamala Harris as his running mate is
sound - but she is a California Democrat. Will she have
much to offer those who live in the Mid-Western states?
and who are mostly concerned about jobs? Not sure.

Also her Green credentials may play well on the West Coast
not sure about the Rust Belt.

Therefore we can speak all we like about the current con
man in the White House - but what we should also bear
in mind is - the very real possibility of him
winning the election come November.
That's why I am hoping for a miracle.
And crossing my fingers.

Dear Josephus,

Give it a rest.

I watched the speeches from Former Presidents their wives and candidates at the Democratic Party Convention and the whole presentations were hatred of Trump. No substance of Policy.

For the record sleazy Bill Clinton was a close friend of Epstein: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8639501/amp/Bill-Clinton-smiles-receiving-neck-massage-Jeffrey-Epstein-victim.html?__twitter_impression=true

Clinton's team said he had only taken four trips with Epstein on the Lolita Express in 2002 and 2003. But flight logs showed he had taken a total of at least 26 individual flights in the course of those years. Epstein's silver and black Boeing 727 airliner - dubbed the 'Lolita Express' - carried prominent passengers including President Bill Clinton and British royal Prince Andrew.

Hilary Clinton and Michelle Obama were close friends of Harvey Weinstein. http://lawandcrime.com/awkward/5-times-liberals-embarrassed-themselves-by-associating-with-harvey-weinstein/
“I want to start by thanking Harvey Weinstein for organizing this amazing day,” then-first lady said Michelle Obama at an awards ceremony organized by Weinstein in 2013. “Harvey. This is possible because of Harvey. He is a wonderful human being, a good friend and just a powerhouse. And the fact that he and his team took the time to make this happen for all of you should say something not about me or about this place, but about you.”

4. Really, the Whole Party Looked Up to the Rapist Because He Gave Them Cash

Weinstein began donating to the Democratic Party in the late 1990s—starting with then-homestate senator Barbara Boxer. The spending quickly picked up from there. He worked for Bill Clinton’s reelection, and supported him through the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Then he gave to Al Gore—later loudly promoted a group called “Mothers Opposing Bush.”

Weinstein placed his money back on the Clintons in 2008–but when that pony was fatigued by Barack Obama, he get on the winning team. And that’s when his largesse really started being noticed. The Obama era made Weinstein a political force to be reckoned with as far as donors are concerned. Up to the point of his #MeToo downfall, the onetime Miramax executive had lavished in excess of $750,000 on various Democratic Party politicians—and even more on Democratic Party-adjacent causes.

WHO SUPPORTS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

WHO SUPPORTS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Jossie Smollet
Bubba Wallace
the lying left media
Harvey Weinstein
Other Hollywood deviants
blm's marxist thugs
Hillary Clinton
George Soros
Bill Gates
Planned Parenthood murderers

what more can one say

Dear Josephus and runner,

You both are demeaning yourselves by your recent posts.
A rather pathetic attempt at grabbing at straws.

This is not about the political parties of the
United States or their donors, or their supporters.
Or whom people associate with.
This is about the best person for the job of running
the country and Trump's record is dismal.

Bringing up Epstein, Harvey Weinstein, and others, is
a deflection.

Trump's connection to Epstein - to the
parties at Trump's Mar-A-Lago home, to Trump's relationship
with Ghislaine Maxwell (the accused Jeffrey Epstein's
accomplice who solicited under age girls) is on record.

As are the many women who have accused Trump of sexual
misconduct. Raising scandals - and how political parties
got so corrupt - Especially when
you've got the Republican Speaker of the house -
Larry Householder arrested for a $60 million dollar
scandal is a case of Who's not corrupt in the Republican
Party? And take a look at how many of Trump's team and
associates have already been arrested and there's more
arrests still pending.

What about Trump's tax returns? Don't hold your breath!

Please guys - give it a rest. The comparison's between
the men and their parties is pathetic.

As is your support for this con-man.

Agree Foxy and Joe, I don't hate Trump, in fact I don't hate anyone, hate/anger is such a negative emotion. Buddha taught that anger is the forerunner of the other negative emotions of rage, vindictiveness and jealousy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=326LyfbKPF8

"As are the many women who have accused Trump of sexual
misconduct. "

Yeah I remember how Tara Reade credibly accused him of rape. How can such a man be president?

......oh wait. http://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/837966525/on-the-record-a-former-biden-staffers-sexual-assault-allegation

No evidence was found for the Tara Reade allegations
against Mr Biden. Unlike those against President
Trump - and the pay-offs made.

Trump has a troubled relationship with the truth and
the facts. He has made at least 15,413 false or
misleading claims according to an analysis from The
Washington Post.

All politicians bend the truth but Trump has excelled in
this regard.

History will judge this man. Not us. And the most lasting
impact will probably be his re-shaping of the federal
judiciary. The life-time appointments he's made with his
conservatives. It will take America a long time to recover
from this presidency. The sooner it starts the better for
everyone!

"No evidence was found for the Tara Reade allegations
against Mr Biden. "

"Believe all women"....except when they accuse OUR men.Then go dalek on them....exterminate,exterminate.

BTW Comma-la believed Reade when it was convenient. Now she seems to have forgotten all about the rape.... http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/437107-harris-i-believe-biden-accusers

Quick Batman...to the memory-hole.

Here are the main criticisms of Donald Trump:

1) He's not ignorant enough.

2) He's too pro gun-control.

3) He has too much respect for women, minorities,
and the law.

4) He knows too much about the issues.

5) He spends too much time at work when he should
be out golfing.

6) His deliberate efforts to unite the country.

7) He only has good things to say about his opponents.

8) He believes in honesty and fairness.

9) He doesn't know enough porn stars.

10) He should be more supportive of white supremacist
organizations.

11) He's too humble. Doesn't talk enough about what a
genius he is.

12) He's too critical of Putin.

13) He's too quick to pay his creditors.

14) He should not release his tax returns.

15) He does not tweet enough.

16) He needs to ask the Russians for help in winning
the election.

17) He does not play to evangelicals enough.

18) He doesn't ramble on enough.

19) Not enough hookers or pee tapes.

20) Is too classy, virtuous, and faithful.
Always putting others ahead of himself.

21) The colour of his skin is too natural.

One thing is obvious from this list - defending the
indefensible and denying the obvious is untenable in the
long term in the political realm.

Speaking of pollies lying....

http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2020/03/19/bidens-memory-isnt-the-only-problem-its-his-lies-n2565249

http://www.westernjournal.com/always-remember-joe-biden-misled-everyone-wifes-death-blamed-innocent-man-years/

But some don't want that to be true therefore it isn't.

Hey Robin..."Where's that memory-hole?".

Surely one thing we've learnt about accusations of sexual assault etc. is that they have to be backed up by some evidence ? Otherwise, it's just he said/she said ? Of course, almost by definition, it's very difficult to get that sort of evidence, whether it's Stormy Daniels, George Pell or Tara Reade.

Perhaps a lesson is that people, maybe all of us, have to be aware that many things are possible, that we should be careful when we are alone with someone in a potentially compromising situation. Perhaps, in a room, don't let anyone come between you and the door; keep the door open of course. Or make sure that others know where you are and hopefully can see you. Stay business-like; avoid unnecessary eye contact; try to involve third parties where possible.

I'm sure that most women are fully aware of all of this, and that their experiences of someone trying it on are almost universal. Still, teach your children well.

Joe

'Surely one thing we've learnt about accusations of sexual assault etc. is that they have to be backed up by some evidence ? '

yeah well if you also apply that to the absolute lie of Russian collusion, Ukraine collusion then we might rid ourselves of TDS. The problem is that the lying liberal left media and the swamp need these lies to give them any chance of election.

Runner,

To which 'swamp' are you referring ? The one in which half a dozen of Trumnpf's loyal foot-soldiers have been wallowing, to be charged and/or jailed ? Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Cohen, Bannon, etc. Half a dozen so far ?

Down With ALL Swamps !

Joe

I watched Barack Obama's speech. It was very moving.
And, at the same time very disturbing.

"170,000 Americans dead, millions of jobs gone,
our worst impulses unleashed, our proud reputation
around the world diminished, and our democratic
institutions threatened like never before.
What Americans do next will echo through generations
to come. What is at stake is American democracy..."

Hi Joe,

Trump didn't mention the sewer, particularly the Trump sewer, in which Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Cohen, Bannon, etc are bobbing about in. To busy with the swamp to be concerned with the sewer. When it comes to corruption, and dirty tricks the Trumpsters make the Nixon mob look like a bunch of choirboys.

To which 'swamp' are you referring ?

Pelossi
pocahontas
Christine Ford
Comey
Gates
Soros
Biden
Epstein
Clinton (both)
Kamala Harris
Planned parenthood murderers
blm marxist murderers
lying left liberal media
numerous marxist gw liars
democrat mayors that send covid into nursing homes
Jussie Smollet and other Hollywood deviants
Bubba Wallace

I think word limits would put limits but I think you get the drift.

runner,

Seriously -

You are quite ill and should seek professional
medical help.

Hi Foxy,

I have always viewed American "democracy" with a high degree of scepticism. Is America as democratic as they portray themselves, or would have the rest of the world believe it to be. It appears to be a society built on an illusion of what is a democracy. The pretence created by the fanfare and hoopla about choosing who should be the Commander-in-Chief, or who should be the Supreme-Dog-Catcher, masks systemic problems of injustice and division within the society. No one can deny America is a country of fabulous wealth, and one that has made a huge contribution towards the betterment of mankind in so many fields. At the same times as these great achievements have been taking place the society has been deeply divided between the 'haves' and the 'have-nots'. So many Americans have received little more than the crumbs from achievement and wealth creation because of inequalities created by the lack of opportunity, opportunities only reserved for the privileged class in that society.

Trump, because of his stupidly highlights the systemic divisions in American society, he plays to those divisions for his own political purposes. Trump is a nasty, Biden is a nice version of Trump, but he still basically stands for what Trump stands for. Sure, if elected Biden will probely tinker around the edges at some of Americas deep seated social problems, but realistically he offers no chance of any systemic shift to a truly equal society, even if he gets elected to both jobs, Commander-In-Chief and Supreme-Dog-Catcher.

Dear Paul,

Anyone but Trump.

That shister has simply got to go.

And fingers-crossed that he will.

Runner,

ALL swamps. Your swamp of choice, as well as everybody else's.

Right and Left swamps.

All systems of cronies. All patron-client systems. All Mafias, by whatever name.

ALL swamps.

Is that too naive ? No, I don't think so.

Is it impossible to get rid of them ? Probably.

Joe

runner,

I think you missed a few:

McCabe
Yates
Brennan
Strzok
Page

You might have missed them but I don't think Durham will.

Hilariously after you'd made a list, Foxy, who'd made a far more facile list of her own, thinks you need medical help. Perhaps you could get it together with Foxy and get a bulk discount. (Seems Foxy still believes in the pee tape story - when she falls for something, no matter how stupid, she remains fallen for good).

Paul wrote: "So many Americans have received little more than the crumbs from achievement and wealth creation because of inequalities created by the lack of opportunity, opportunities only reserved for the privileged class in that society."

Two points:
1. That privileged class overwhelmingly support the Democrats. I wonder if you can work out what that means.
2. Things are so bad in the US that these poor downtrodden masses are desperate to leave. That's why they had to build the wall - to keep them in. Isn't that right Paul?

I've used the metaphor before but it still applies - some look at the Mona Lisa and see the smile, others see only the cracks in the paint - and I feel sorry for them.

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ALL swamps.

Oh Joe so finally we are getting somewhere. We agree that all are corruptible and almost all politicians, academics, clergymen, teachers, doctors. nurses, labourers prove that. So now we have to vote on policy rather than personality. That is where the democrats fail on all accounts dismally. Anyway neither of us will be voting so I am not sure why we are debating this stuff so rigorously. Personally I would love a politician the calibre of Trump in Australia. The best we have are the likes of Matt Cananagh, Amanda Stokes and Mark Latham. Pity their wield little influence.

btw Foxy won't be going to a doctor unless I have to. Seen how idiotic many of our health bureacrats have acted over the last 6 months. Really has exposed how dumbed down many of them are.

mhaze,

More drivel and desperation.
Keep on entertaining us - good job!

The Mona Lisa is an ugly Italian woman -
skillfully painted. Kudos.

Same goes when looking at Trump - an obsene American
fraudster and con man. - And defending the
indefensible, and denying the obvious is untenable in the
long term - no matter how much
razzle dazzle is attempted to be applied. There are some
things that money can't buy - like morals and intelligence.
And sooner or later things will go belly-up.

As for runner? The less said the better.
He's drive by comments speak for themselves.

Well it seems Foxy has given up on any form of rationality and just goes straight to the abuse. Well when you've got nothing....

"There are some things that money can't buy - like morals and intelligence."

Morals? Like accusing an innocent man of having been drink driving when your wife was killed? But only doing it after the man was dead?

Morals? Like raping Tara Reade?(Oh and look up what he did to Anita Hill.)

Morals? Like a lifetime of plagiarism?

Are those the type of morals that attract you to this candidate?

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Scott Adams, who has a knack for getting to the very hub of the issue, has been pointing out that in the end the entire Biden campaign is based around the "fine people" hoax.
Even after I tried to nudge Foxy into discussing the Biden policies, she demurred. Mainly because there aren't any to speak of. Basing your entire campaign around a deliberate misinterpretation of one quote is hardly cause for support.

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"The Mona Lisa is an ugly Italian woman "

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. But her looks weren't the point of my metaphor. A shame it went over your head.

As to the painting, all I can say is that when I saw it in the flesh, so to speak, it had an emotional effect that went beyond mere rationality and which I still can't explain

mhaze,

She's still an ugly Italian woman.

And Trump is an obese fraudster!

mhaze,

I'll concede that the Mona Lisa is one of the most
famous paintings in the world and while we may admire
the brilliance of Da Vinci's brush strokes and her
"enigmatic" smile to me she's by no means the
definition of physical perfection. To me she looks
like a typical Italian peasant woman. No Patrician
beauty. But each to their own.

Here's a Patrician beauty:

http://www.pinterest.com.au/stephaparker/capucine/

mhaze,

Art is subjective. And I've never really liked the
Mona Lisa painting but I had to pretend for the
sake of my art teacher. My taste in paintings of
women goes more towards ones with angular facial
features, prominent jawlines, straight noses,
and voluminous hair. Also sensuality is important.
The powerfully haunting paintings of -
Dante Gabriel Rossetti - appeal. Take a look at -
" La Ghirlandata" if you have the time.

Anyway, as I said - each to their own.

Here's the Rossetti painting:

http://www.bl.uk/collection-items/la-ghirlandata-by-dante-gabriel-rossetti

Runner,

Looking back, I don't think we agree on anything. I don't think, as you seem to, that pretty much everybody is corrupt - "almost all politicians, academics, clergymen, teachers, doctors. nurses, labourers" - that does not leave many of us out.

So you hate and mistrust everybody ? No surprises there. Strange for a professed Christian, to hate so much. But it explains a lot.

Our Covid-19 death toll has now passed 500. And 175,000 in the US, or 350 times our toll. Ghastly. I suppose the difference is that in Australia, we have relatively strong and determined leadership, which doesn't experiment with people's lives by pro[osing dick-brained ideas. So we will come out of this much more quickly than the poor people in the US. Biden will have his work cut out for him, not helped by the despicable attitude of people like you.

Joe

mhaze, why do you get everything so wrong? From your misguided views on Covid-19 to Donald Trump, you just can't get it right.

The latest from The Donald, he is out there praising the far right and the Neo-Nazis with their off the planet pro Trump QAnon conspiracy theory, mhaze are you a believer in QAnon? According to these ratbags a high ranking government official known by the code name "Q" shares information about the anti-Trump "deep state", often tied to satanism and child sex trafficking. According to Trump these ratbags "like me (Trump) very much". Trump likes to retweet QAnon, and its adherents flock to his rallies. An FBI bulletin last May warned that conspiracy theory-driven extremists had become a domestic terrorism threat. The bulletin specifically mentioned QAnon, not forgetting these ratbags are dangerous Trump supporters.