ALTRAV,

"I have never been able to stand by and say nothing when I hear of something which clearly needs to be challenged or corrected".

Sorry mate; but it doesn't work with the likes of her - it just makes her worse. There are people who are so far out of touch with reality, so full of themselves, that they cannot be reached. She's been at it long enough to prove that she is one of those people. Only a shrink could explain the behaviour involved. Whereas most people, including OLO posters, know when it's time to back off and agree to disagree, she is manic: obsessed with winning arguments about anything at all. 'Yeah, whatever' is not an option for her. She doesn't know when to let go or, most likely, doesn't know how to let go. As long as I've been involved with OLO, not one poster has changed his or her mind on anything. Yet, there are three bullies here, she being one of them, who cannot stop themselves from attacking anyone they disagree with.

As you say, she has to comment on "every DAMN thing or topic listed". That's plain unnatural. Normal people don't have the interest in or knowledge of that many subjects. She must spend most of her time frantically looking up stuff that she hasn't previously taken an interest in or even heard of.

Perhaps Graham might consider restricting the General Forum in the same way the main one is: topics up for one day only, with stricter limits on the number of comments per poster? How many times does any one of us have to say the same thing?

"When she's wrong she sudden(ly) declares she doesn't want to talk about it any longer. Its her way of acknowledging error". (mhaze)

Yes. But quickly recovers after she consults the ABC or the gutter press for more ammunition - whether she understands it or not.

Dear mhaze,

Chiding Foxy for errors? You really do have a hide my young lad.

You are one of the apex examples on this thread of someone who is constantly pulled up for spouting utter rubbish but you never acknowledge your mistakes. Instead you dive into diversions, slurs, further half truths and when all those fail you just stop answering.

The ones you especially sook about are those I have pulled you up on where you felt you were being technical enough that no one would bother checking like your statistic on excess deaths. You got seriously shown up and so you sulked for a little while and left the topic alone. Now you are back for another dip.

I do need to ask why do you think this will be any different? History has not been kind to your earlier predictions and your faith in your president must be a little dented but here you come. COVID has been a real minefield for you hasn't it. Your slavish support for Sweden's effort continues unabated even when the architect of their response has admitted to mistakes.

Your response continues to to be driven by your ideology. It quite frankly sticks to high heaven, however there is sport to be had so let the games begin.

Why is the only factor you are considering as to whether people are 'all in this together' is if they have taken a drop in pay or are on Job Seeker?

I'm sure public servants are also having to deal with kids at home, limited travel, facemasks, test, shopping shortages, diminished elective surgeries, etc.

This is an unfair charaterisation and one that yet again betrays your ideology.

Try again.

altrav, you made this point
"But my overarching point is that, even with all the precautions, without the vaccine, those people who are susceptible to the virus would eventually die, unless they remained isolated until the threat and the carriers had ALL died, including and especially the infected people. "
My point would be we are all going to eventually die, who gets to choose exactly who we abandon?

jimmy2shoes,

I do. And guess what, I choose you!

Bully number two rushes to the defence. Another one best it ignored for the sake of decorum, peace and common sense.

jimmy2shoes,

good question.
The answer is simple; the virus does.
You see my point is that we CAN'T choose who lives or dies, we can only wait and see.
Those who are sick, old, weak and infirm or susceptible or vulnerable, are going to contract the virus, sooner or later.
If you isolate and hide away you will live for as long as you do that, BUT, when you venture out again you will come into contact with the carriers at some point, and you WILL die.
That's all I'm saying.
So Sweden decided to get it all over sooner than later thereby sparing the young and healthy viable of the population.
The reason there is a seemingly, change of heart, is purely a political decision to try to placate those who think he erred.
I am never-the-less curious as to what the numbers or stats in Sweden are doing, especially as and when we approach the end of this pandemic.