To Banjo Paterson.

My point about the chicken and the egg is that it doesn't matter how it began, what matters is that discrimination fuels poverty, poverty fuels crime, and crime fuels discrimination. Chicken makes egg, egg makes chicken. It doesn't matter how it began.

We do not live in a slave state, though discrimination is evident to exist. How it got started doesn't matter as much as how to fix it. Now solutions. Some solutions are just not working. It creates a generational poverty, instead of helping people get out of it.

Solutions that just demand everyone let go of discrimination are delusional. If you create a system where some minorities receive more assistance then others your going to get people who hate them for that. If you have a population that hates others because of their crimes and violence that are more frequent then other groups, then they will discriminate for that reason.

What your demanding for a solution just isn't going to fly. Discrimination is not the enemy. Discrimination is the byproduct. The enemy is poverty and distrust.

Now as to your point that families can't stay strong in a discriminated environment, that's just wrong. There are poor but healthy families that happen all the time. Why would that be possible, but discrimination be a reason that families can't survive in?

A stable family culture will fight off the negative elements within the world for those family members. It will help stabilize the next generation and help reduce crime and violence. In many cases having two parents look out for their kids actually helps them get into a better position then the parents were before.

There is no reason to be insulted here, or to be defensive like I insulted black people. All that I am doing is thinking on real, stable, long term solutions.

NNS,

Oscar Lewis wrote extensively about what he called "a culture of poverty". I think he should have called it "a culture of marginalisation", given that the people living it tend to be low-skilled, in-and-out of-touch with the mainstream society - not just poor, but always in danger of falling off the edge of the world, so to speak. Living for today, they tend to have little deferment of gratification, rarely establish long-term relationships, are prone to spontaneous violence, dodge responsibilities e.g. for their own kids, and often get into trouble with the law.

Lewis was very left-wing, actually a communist, but the 'Left' in the US really got stuck into him for criticising the virtuous poor, as they mis-diagnosed the situation. He thought that Cuba might have the solutions, and arranged a huge research project there in about 1968, to show - he thought - that the 'culture of poverty' or marginalisation, could be overcome. No, it seemed, it couldn't - it tended to perpetuate itself, as marginalisation in one generation had all the requisites to produce it in the next. Castro threw him out, and he died the next year at 59.

But the persistence of a culture of marginalisation, whether for Liverpool Irish, Native Americans, the Burakumin out-castes in Japan, or other groups, seems to be very real and very hard to shift. In the US, John Ogbu traced the differences between native-born integrated, native-born marginalised, immigrant and refugee population in terms of their attitudes to, and experiences of, education.

Fascinating.

Dear Josephus,

This is what you posted as your facts from Glenn Beck?

“The protests in America have three levels of protestors:
1. Those concerned for the ill treatment of Blacks.
2. Those there for the opportunity for looting
3. Antifa and Greens and Muslim politicians to fuel emotion and hate of Police, Western economies and Laws. These are funded by Soros.
The third level of protestors are considered terrorist by civil society.”

Well the first two are a given although not entirely separate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9_qGOa9Go

As to the third what a load of blocks. Soros? Antifa?

But I will bite. Please link me to the video where he discusses this.

Dear NNS,

You say; “We do not live in a slave state, though discrimination is evident to exist.”

Of course you live in a slave state. The US prison system is made up of around 60% African Americans. They are put to work not only for government manufactured items but also many private companies, all for cents per hour.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/09/slavery-prison-system-170901082522072.html

The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution did abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/23/prisoner-speak-out-american-slave-labor-strik

Dear Josephus,

Mate you really need to stop lapping this scurrilous stuff up.

This from your first link.

“Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Monday he hopes President Donald Trump's designation of Antifa as a terrorist organization will open up who is funding it, and said he's "appalled" that members of presumptive Democrat nominee Joe Biden's campaign were donating money to help bail out people arrested during Minnesota's protesting over the death of George Floyd.”

Gingrich, without any evidence is conflating those whose Biden staff are helping to bail out are somehow Antifa. What the hell? Come on, is there zero critical thinking available to you to see this for what it is?

Unless you are trying to say all those who were arrested in the protests are Antifa or looters, something which would be deemed absurd for anyone following the news, then you need to reflect on the crap you are linking to.