The teachers union is saying teachers may refuse to go back to work.

Well it is time to give the teachers a couple of choices.
1/ Go to work when directed, or,

2/ Be dismissed with out any redundancy.

I don't know who the hell they think they are, but it is not their prerogative to chose if they will work or not. They have the right of course to resign if they think they are too important to do their share in the current difficulty, but they have no right to refuse offered employment, & expect to continue to receive pay for what they are not doing.

There are hundreds of thousands who would love the chance to be working, & getting paid, & with the continual falling standards of our kids education, most of them would have little difficulty doing at least as good a job as all too many teachers.

Yes time to tell teachers, go to work when told, or get the hell out.

The SA teachers' union has certainly been put in its place by both the government and the opposition after they insulted our Chief Medical Officer in an advertisement. The union leader has suddenly decided that she 'didn't know' about the release, and has been forced to apologise.

These Leftist activists, the sort of people who hypocritically tell everyone else to 'believe the science' on everything else including climate change, and accepting as gospel allegations of historic sexual abuse, have rightly been accused by the media of 'denying the science' on the safety of sending children back to school.

We shouldn't hold teachers to account for the lunancy of communist/fascist teachers unions who are losing members just like other irrelevant and autocratic unions. Maybe it's the preponderance of female union leaders that is the problem, trying to make tough 'guys' of themselves. Apart from one standout PM in the UK, female leaders haven't been able to cut the mustard anywhere. Perhaps in this case, age-old cattiness against our female CMO had something to do with it.

Dear Hasbeen,

What a pathetic attitude. These people are dedicated educators who shouldn't have to put their lives on the line needlessly just to satisfy your twisted sense of obligation. Speaking to a teacher recently who teaches year 12 he had worked with his students remotely right through Easter when he didn't have to. He has set up his teaching to accommodate the new regime and the kids have adapted brilliantly. He has an elderly parent bungaloed at home. Why should he have to put them at risk to return to an environment which doesn't provide proper PP gear nor testing of students.

At a school near us a physics teacher is in his 70s. Why should he have to resign to fulfill your mandate?

High Schools are most definitely petri dishes. With winter approaching the risks will likely elevate. Perhaps there should be danger money paid out if teachers are forced back into classrooms without adequate safeguards in place.

Hasbeen,

You are spot on again you great big chocolate smarty!

Let's just bring in millions of Chinese teachers to replace them. That'll teach the teachers! In fact that can be our motto Hasbeen: 'TEACH THE TEACHERS!'

You're amazing Hasbeen. i just don't know how you come up with these ideas.

Steele,

"High Schools are most definitely Petri dishes. With winter approaching the risks will likely elevate. Perhaps there should be danger money paid out if teachers are forced back into classrooms without adequate safeguards in place"

Not only High Schools; my first wife was an Infants teacher and we caught most of whatever was going around, thankfully we avoided head lice.

'TEACH THE TEACHERS!'
Mr Opinion,
If that was possible it would have been done already !

Thanks Steele, absolutely spot on. I suggest we get these Old Farts, Hasbeen, ttbn, etc, to act as the "canary in the coal mine". Get one each to sit all day in the classroom, they've got little else to do, should they keel over then sound the hooter, everyone OUT!

I can just see it now;

Teacher; "Billy please check on Mr Hasbeen, he seems to be rocking around in his chair."

Billy; "I don't know miss, he seems very gar-gar."

Teacher; "That's okay, he's always like that.....OH NO! Mr Hasbeen has keeled over...Jimmy sound the HOOTER!

"These people are dedicated educators", come on SR pull the other one. I had quite a bit to do with high school teachers up until recently.

My lady & I established & ran for 12 years, the P&C associations school text book hire scheme at our local 1700 pupil high school. This scheme saved parents about 50% of text book costs, while putting over $200,000 in P&C funding into the school each year.

We had to order the books required for next year, both text books & class sets in September, to get them in a timely manner for the dozen or more volunteers to have them covered & cataloged in time for the new year. Books ordered in October rarely arrived before January 15Th in the new year, making it impossible to have them ready for distribution at the start of the school year.

Heads of departments were responsible in giving us their requirements for the next year, in a timely manner. These should have been the most reliable & competent teachers in the school, but I could count on the fingers of one hand the number who did this job reliably over the years.

It would require all my fingers & toes, plus all yours to count the number who regularly required hounding to get these requirements advised before they went off on their summer holidays. Many would not have lasted a month in private employment, & these were the managers.

Those same HODs would come whinging when we could not get delivery of the books they found they needed for a couple of months in the new year.

Dedicated SR, you must be joking or perhaps you have never met a school teacher at work.

unions always have been a law to themselves. Usually members are not nearly as productive as non members. Glad its ok for the check out chics to work. Be pretty hungry if they decided not to.

I know a teacher whose son has an illness
(can't remember the name of it). He has to be
injected with insulin. Anyway she's terrified
if her son caught the virus - he apparently has
no immunity to illness. She's a dedicated teacher,
but I'd hate to be in her shoes.

Teachers like other professionals are also human
beings with families and people they have to care
for. We can't be so selfish as to not feel any
empathy for others and only think of ourselves and
our families.

That's not what Australians do. At least not the ones
I love and know.

'Teachers like other professionals are also human
beings with families and people they have to care
for. We can't be so selfish as to not feel any
empathy for others and only think of ourselves and
our families.'

true Foxy but I suspect with the tens of thousands of Police they have the same challenges. Nurses and doctors are at highest risk. My own son works in an icu unit. Individual cases can be dealt with but I thought you were one to 'believe the science'. Or is that only when it suites. Teachers should do their job or not be paid.

Hassy, nice to see you did have a selfless bone in your body, doing what you did for those school children.

"Usually (union) members are not nearly as productive as non members" What a load of crap runner.

Foxy, he might have complications caused by 'type one diabetes' a school friend of my oldest some had that, and he was very susceptible to serious infection, there were many food he couldn't eat. The 'common cold' could put him in hospital for a week. In those days they had a week long school camp, outdoors down around Canberra in winter, just imagine the conditions. It was a week of constant rain, several boys including that boy, he so wanted to go, had to be evacuated out, due to illness.
I often wonder why? Sons friend with his condition, then his mother had a stroke in her early 30's, just survived. Dad had to give up work and go on a pension to look after her, and their two boys

Good Morning Paul,

Some of us don't realise how lucky we are.

I think you're right about my friends son.
I vaguely remember his illness being connected
to diabetes.

time to suspend pay for all Government workers and Pollies. Give them 1500 per fortnight and see how fast they get the country back to work.

An interesting question was raised on The Insiders this morning: Why is it alright for the children to be crowded together into classrooms but when outside of school the same children must comply with social distancing requirements? It is a contradiction.

Also sending kids back into the schools en masse really only applies to the public school sector. Apparently private schools are not resuming for about 12 weeks and are continuing with distance education. There is more to this than meets the eye. Can anyone figure it out?

Something no one has raised yet on The Forum is the app Soot & The Boys are pushing. Everyone is saying that the pros and cons are all to do with privacy concerns. I think there is more than meets the eyes on this one as well. Can anyone figure it out?

The clue to my questions is that Mr Opinion thinks that Soot 'Beam up me Scotty' Morrison is the most cunning Australian politician he as ever seen.

They don't like losing that free childcare. Home 'schooling' is a crock: modern kids don't have the self-discipline for it, and parents are mostly not teachers, if they are even at home, unprepared as they are to actually care for and raise their own offspring instead of being out 'fullfilling' themselves, earning less than they are paying out for the babies they have dumped on strangers, and really hating being mothers and homemakers - all the natural things. We might very well see a rise in abortions after this little lesson on what it really means to be a mother.

That same teachers union fight tooth & nail against home schooling. The last thing they want is too many kids pulled out of their indoctrination, or diminishing the employment for them. They are k of being embarrassed when home schooled kids display better education than their charges.

I don't mind if they don't want to go back to work, & pull their weight in this situation. If they are frightened & want out that's fine, but expecting to be paid, or offered continuing employment at some time that suits them is not fine.

Go to work or resign, that is the choice, & should be enforced.

Teachers over the past 30 years have done more damage to kids than all the bad programming on TV.
Teachers have passed-on their mentality of me, me, me to some very good kids who then ended up so spoiled that even their parents couldn't figure them out anymore. Now, these victims of Teachers are a burden on their parents. thirty years old & still sponging off Mum & Dad !
The majority of Teachers are preoccupied with planning their overseas holidays. Dedicated I hear SteeleRedux say ? Better check online Dictionaries re the definition of 'dedicated' !
Not so, I hear you cry ? Well, prove it ain't so !

How the rabid right hate education. They have always opposed mass learning, dumb-downed knuckle dragging half whits are easy for them to control. Just as they would outlaw slaves being tough to read and write, they would have the young of the working class left uneducated, nothing new in that.

How the rabid right hate education.
Paul1405,
How do you always manage to get things so desperately wrong ? No-one's against education, we desperately need education. The problem is how can we change from indoctrination to education ?
Because you're so indoctrinated you're incapable of understanding how people who can think for themselves perceive the World.
You don't need education for intelligence & you don't need intelligence for indoctrination !

Come on Paul, call it as it is.

What we want is a return to what we had 60 or 70 years ago.

In the 50s a 15 year old kid, with just his intermediate certificate, from 3 years of high school could successfully undertake an electrical apprenticeship, with no trouble with the math involved. Today a friend of ours, ex high school teacher makes a good living running remedial math courses.

He started with university kids who's math was no where up to the required standard to undertake scientific & engineering courses, but was then asked to do the same for kids doing trade courses at a couple of TAFE colleges. He loves it, as he reckons he now has pupils who all really want to learn what he is teaching.

The big difference here is the kids at TAFE today are graduates of year 12, 17 year old kids with 5 years of high school. Many of these have a bit of paper informing the world that they were VHA, very high achievers, in math & physics in that 5Th year. Many of these have no chance of even understanding the math involved in not just electrical but many construction courses.

These school courses have been dumbed down by the women's libbers running primary & secondary education today so average girls could compete with the brighter blokes who usually were the ones doing such courses. I was amazed to find these VHA achievers in math C courses had not even touched calculus or coordinate geometry.

So Paul, it in not the right who hate education, we would just like it done as it was in the good old days, when it meant something.

hasbeen

Too right. There's no point in trying to get anything through the thick heads of the three Leftist stooges though. Just let them continue making fools of themselves. It's the one thing they are good at.

Indy, you don't speak for the whole of the RABID RIGHT! Hassy and ttbn are speaking for themselves, but still singing off the same song sheet as you. Hassy's back in his spatts and straw hat, not that he's ever been out of it. The bubble brain is just having a spray at the despised three. I assume that's Foxy, Steele and myself, but then again ttbn hangs off every word the Dangerous Dr Donald from America has to say, go figure that one!

Hi Paul,

We have to accept the reality of the US President's
disordered personality and therefore it's not surprising
that some here on OLO who support him display the
same symptoms of unstability, obsession, and unhealthy
patterns of thinking, functioning, and behaving.
This disorder manifessts itself in multiple ways -
from bullying and trying to silence those who could
expose them and whose views and opinions disagree with
their own.

I personally enjoy inter-acting with Hassie and Indy.
I respect their opinions even though I don't agree with
some of them. However I won't mention any other names
because their behaviour speaks for itself and it's
symptomatic of deeper issues - which we're not qualified
to deal with, so best to avoid, stay away from, and
subsequently ignore.

Paul’s appalling spelling, grammar and uncontrolled abuse of “old farts” indicates his lack of education. He does have the wit to recognise himself as one of the Three Stooges, and he must be so pleased to have the third one back, still acting as a proxy for The ABC and The Guardian, wittering on about things she knows nothing about, and making snide remarks about “nameless” people. She has recovered from the “health” problems that made her all “het up”, or thinks she has. I wonder how long she will last this time. I thought the remark about a “health disorder” in relation to President Trump was amusing, coming from her.

Hasbeen,

I get the impression that if you had your way you would have all the teachers who don't adhere to your beliefs taken out and shot.

ttbn,

Thank, thanks, But NO! (TTBN)

Your moniker suits you to a T.

Thanks, Thankd But No!

You are erratic, unprincipled, unstable, and
definitely have a personality disorder.
You are obsessive, and show no judgemnent, wisdom,
or prudence. You display unhealthy patterns of
thinking, functioning, and behaving - all have
been characteristics defining your postings.

You attribute things to me that are highly unfair.
So I'm just returning the favour in kind.

And Thank You for proving me right with your
last unnecessary post.

An education lesson from an imbecile, ttbn that's what you get when you listen to the Dangerous Dr Donald. Then again, you and The Donald are on the same intellectual level. An IQ test would soon show you both to be TLA.

I don't take lessons from Donald Trump, Paul. It's all in your fevered imagination. I just wish we had politicians more like him. We certainly have idiots like the US Democrats here, but no-one like President Trump to put them in their place.

Your poor old mate below has popped a gasket. She probably needs a little sympathy from you, and a big dose of agreement on how terrible I am. "Dear Foxy"; "Dear Paul"; "Dear Steele" - it's so sweet

Has anybody downloaded the govt's app for tracing the Wuhan virus?

If you will not be downloading it could you tell us your reason for not wanting to do so?

Mr Opinion,

I downloaded app last night.

I am ok with it, as I am with the approach taken by Morrison Govt and Brendan Murphy

Chris,

I will not be downloading the app.

They say it is all about tracing the spread of the Wuhan virus within communities which is a good idea but there is in my opinion an aspect of the scheme that l think is a 'hidden' component of the scheme which I consider to be quite alarming if true.

I'll let you know what I think this is when the numbers downloading the app flatten out.

Mr O

I will not be downloading the app. If people were serious about human life they would be against killing unborn babies. Also we have witnessed how quickly we have become a Police state with those on good safe incomes insisting that people who have lost their livelyhoods told to stay inside while they travel to work and enjoy their lattes. I do not trust Government with data. It is true they already have masses of data but given the atrocious performance by some Police and Comrad Andrews ties with China I have no intention of bowing to fear. We have not been fed reliable information and models used by our Health Departments have been shown to be totally wrong. Though I think our PM is the best we have his blackmailing tactics are also very disappointing.

I won't be downloading it as I have enough information via TV etc., besides which I'm isolated very effectively.

That's right ttbn, you went groveling after Corny Banana, even joining The Corny Conservative Party. The laugh was on you, they took your money and done a bunk! WHAT A SUCKER!

BTW, in response to your jab at me, to quote that great philosopher John Candy; "Gee, it must be swell to be so perfect and odor-free!" and to add a quote from the Life Of Brian; :You lucky, lucky, bastard!" (from the bloke hanging on the wall)

I was fairly okay with the app, until ScumO' announced it was going to be managed by the Yankee CIA, sorry Amazon. With the Minister for Propaganda claiming 1.3 million downloads in 5 hours, I believe they are trying to whip up pro app hysteria. Never trust conservatives, they always favour a police state.

Paul1405,

CMO Brendan Murphy apparently announced today that since the levels were now getting very low they are starting to look for asymptomatics in the community.

Thinking of uploading the app yet? Don't be late ....... you could be the one they're looking for!

So don't worry about having legislation in place to protect your rights: if you're the one they are looking for then you could spend the rest of your life in quarantine!

Paul,

You really are obsessed with Cory Bernardi. I've forgotten all about him, but you are more upset about the money I donated than I am. I couldn't care less about the money; there is plenty more where that came from. I'm not broke and buggered like you are. I can afford to give money to political parties. I might give some to One Nation at the next election. At least I spend my own money, not other people's like you socialists do, and pour it down your throats before you sit down in your undies and blue singlet to make incoherent posts rubbishing everyone who is not one of your commo mates. You are like something out of a Jolliffe comic.

I don't know how the app got into this thread, but apparently, and despite what Scot the Big Spender says, the app can:

put people in jail,

data match with the tax office data,

data match with centrelink data,

data match with state/territory licence (and face image) data,

data match the meta-data they have forced telephone companies to collect, and

share with other governments.

And a couple of million gullible sorts have downloaded it already, with several million more expected to follow. How's that for suckers, Paul?

I couldn't care less, being one of the fortunate 9% of people not owning a phone that is capable of downloading apps

Indy, you don't speak for the whole of the RABID RIGHT!
Paul1405,
I don't actually speak for anyone rabid, I speak for decency & for people with integrity !
It'd do you good to actually try it for yourself but with a warning, you'll have to start making relevant comments in place of the snide remarks that aren't an answer for anything !

Oh Gawd, listen to yourselves.

"there is plenty more (money) where that came from" What ttbn, 'Centerlink' is a bottomless pit? You did say, if I'm not mistaken, you are on the old aged pension. BTW, I supposes after doing all that dosh with the Corny Conservative Party, a new mobile phone is out of the question.

I didn't download the app, with the information being stored by a foreign company, with dubious history. That foreign company is subject to the subpoena laws of the worlds most aggressive nation. If the CIA wanted your information from Amazon, Amazon would be subjected to American law, and there would be sweet fa ScumO' from Australia could do about it, not that he would want to.

Part pension, and I'm a genius when it comes to money. I'm a capitalist, remember.

America the most aggressive country. Of course! China is a pussy cat, according to you Green Reds, with an economy the size of Tasmania's.

As for mobile phones, I don't want even the basic one I've got for security reasons. I saw Pauline last night advising Chris Kenny that we can't trust the government with apps or anything else. There's a surprise! I think I'll sign my pension over to her, and live on the trusts - that bottom of the harbour stuff that John Howard used to talk about.

I don’t understand why teachers should be exempt from working at this time. All the checkout ladies around the country face far greater risk of infection in their job than teachers do. Studies have shown that children not only get a milder form of the illness but also that they don’t transmit the disease much either.
I have a granddaughter who is receptionist in a hotel that caters for medical cases from remote areas who have very poor immune systems yet she has to go to work every day and interact with these clients, as well as cleaning their rooms on occasion.
Another granddaughter is working in the prison system, again with many clientele with compromised health.
What makes teachers so special that they can refuse to go to work when so many others are doing their best to keep the country running?

Why are we casting blame on teachers when the
decisions of school closures involve federal,
and state governments, education departments
and teacher unions. We have teachers in public,
Catholic and independent schools involved.
All having to comply with the directions they are
being given.

if any Government had any courage they would put absent teachers on the job keeper scheme. This same bunch also had kids missing school while having tantrums on the street in the bushfire season. NO wonder our standards are at the bottom of the pile despite record amounts of money being spent on education over the last 30 years. At least the kids are missing out on being brainwashed with the latest woke perversion.

Teachers do have to comply with instructions, but it's not teachers who are the problem: it's the vile Red unions who are making all the fuss. The sorts of morons who, many years ago, complained to the principal that my wife, in teaching about Captain Cook, had made no mention of Mrs. Cook!

The teachers unions would get along very well with their comrades in the Chinese Communist Party.

According to government figures union membership in
Australia has been falling steadily over the past
4 decades. There were just over 1.5 million union members
in 2016 compared with just over 2.5 million in 1976. This
represents a decline of around 1 million union members or 38%.

The figures are probably even lower today.

Mos young people are not interested in union membership
and prefer to negotiate their own work agreements.

There are a number of news items in the past 24 hours of which this is one saying that there is a Wuhan virus syndrome now starting to show up in children in the UK:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/04/coronavirus-uk-doctors-warned-about-new-toxic-shock-syndrome-in-children-possibly-linked-to-covid-19.html

Hi Foxy,

"negotiate their own work agreements" unfortunately young people are not in a position of equality when it comes to work place negotiations, nor are they knowledgable of their rights and obligations. With such an un-level playing field, the reality is a take it or leave it offer from the employer. Unskilled and migrant works will often find themselves in the same boat. I liked it when the voters told Howard where he could shove his 'Work No Choice' agreements.

Workers covered by workplace agreements negotiated by their union, are in a much better position than those who are not. Those relying on awards, or the generosity of their employer, are generally severely disadvantaged.

Hi Paul,

I can only speak from my own experience with
the young people of my family and friends.
Admittedly they're all highly qualified professionals
who've achieved much in their careers - so perhaps
they are not the norm.

who've achieved much in their careers
Foxy,
Any examples ?

anyone keeping count on how many nrl players have flouted the 'rules'. And they are going to be kept in hubs for 2 weeks at a time. What a total joke! Oh well it will continue to be one rule for one and another for those the police want to or are told to pick on.

Hi Indy,

You ask - Äny examples?"

Plenty.

Why do you want to know?

Hi Foxy

I take your point, not all employers are out to take advantage, but there are the unscrupulous who will, given the opportunity do exactly that. There are always the 7-Eleven's out there looking to exploit the vulnerable.

Something of interest. Have you noticed how quite the 'Usual Suspects' have gone on the academics of late. Like those boffins in white coats, in some back room laboratory staring down a microscope for hours on end. According to some of the old farts, they were over educated, over paid, useless logs, they needed to get the flick, and get a real job. Much of this academic work, which they perceived as useless is financed by the state. Now with covid-19, the work of those useless academics in their white coats, in their back room laboratories, staring down the microscopes, may just save the human race. What do the 'Usual Suspects' say now?

Hi Paul,

I've worked in two continents and have been very
fortunate with my employers on the whole.
I did have one bad experience at work - where the
union only came in to help me after I had resigned
in frustration. It was a case of too little, too late.

From then on - I decided not to belong to any union.

Today - it no longer matters for me.

As far as my family members are concerned, as I stated
earlier - they do have successful careers and are doing
well on their own.

Regarding academics?

I know there's been a great deal of criticism and I'm
not sure if it's justified or not. When I studied - it
wasn't easy and a tough slog all round. So I have the
highest respect for any one who under takes any studies.
It is a challenge. I firmly believe in research and
development because through new discoveries we can
improve the human lot. Perhaps people are starting to
realise that with the onset of this pandemic?

Foxy,

I hope they are not lawyers and engineers ........ please tell us they are NOT lawyers and engineers.

Mr O,

The vary from IT experts, to architects, to retail
managers, to doctors, nurses, and yes lawyers,
engineers, and teachers. All part of my immediate
family as well as our extended family. We're a
mixed bunch. And I'm grateful for that. And of course
there's a librarian as well (me).

Foxy,

If I was you I would throw the lawyers and engineers out and keep the rest.

Could you imagine what it must be like studying law: as boring as watching wet paint dry. But once a person qualifies as a lawyer there is a shitload of money to be made profiteering from the misfortune and misery of others.

And for engineers, well they're just meatheads. But they're alright as long as there's plenty of football, racing cars and paint ball outings to keep them occupied.

Why do you want to know?
Foxy,
I'm always interested in how professionals are contributing to improve society & economy for our Nation.

If I was you I would throw the lawyers and engineers out and keep the rest.
Mr Opinion,
For once I agree with you !

Hi Indy,

As I wrote to Mr O - we're a mixed bunch of
professionals. One member of my family works as
an IT pro at the Royal Melbourne Hospital in
Melbourne. A major teaching hospital health
care with a reputation in clinical research.

Another is a doctor in a general practice that is a
teaching practice for the University of Melbourne
and the Royal Australian College of GPs.

Another is a chiropractor specialising in women's
health. Another is a plumber - owing his own business.
Another a nurse in intensive care. Another an
architect involved in a multi-disciplinary practice
in architecture and heritage. Another a retail manager
in a long established family business that commenced
trading in 1938 and has been in the same location as it is
today.

And the list goes on.

Truly a mixed bunch.

I left out a Principal of a Catholic School.
A Parks ranger. An environmental engineer.
An office manager. And an associate solicitor
specialising in family law and general practice.
And a librarian who ran Storytime sessions,
school visits, book clubs, and taught kids how to
read. helped students with their assignments,
and education. Worked in special libraries,
university libraries, public libraries,
parliamentary libraries. Ending up as a regional
youth services librarian in charge of seven
branch libraries.

Foxy,

Apart from your extensive work with libraries aren't you also a writer of children's literature?

Mr O,

You are very perceptive and have an excellent
memory.

Foxy,

That's me to a tee

Teachers and pupils that feel they are at risk should stay at home.

However, if the teachers stay at home, then so do the pupils, and in many cases so do the mothers of the pupils who then lose pay and / or their jobs.

With the infection rate now very low and precautions taken the health risk is minimal, and the consequences of keeping schools closed will be dire on the economy.

Teachers and pupils that feel they are at risk should stay at home.
Shadow Minister,
If the medical people & Police etc. decided to stay home too, I'm certain it'd be Teachers who complained first !

We all know what Soot 'Beam up me Scotty' Morrison's position is on getting the teachers and kids back into the classrooms but what about that of the Chinese Communist Party. I mean after all, who's running the country? I reckon these two guys can answer that question:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/melbourne/extraordinary-scenes-as-chinese-diplomat-hijacks-government-coronavirus-press-conference-to-praise-beijings-handling-of-the-crisis-and-reject-australias-demands-for-an-inquiry-into-the-outbreak/ar-BB13nhV3

Mr O, don't be like that, Twiggy knows what side his iron ore is buttered! When ScumO' gets over his Donald inspired tantrum, he'll be back, cap in hand, begging the Chinese to play marbles with Australia once again. The only trouble is China holds all the marbles, and by then they'll be playing marbles with the Yanks.

Apart from learning the extent to which Andrew Forrest has connections in the Chinese Communist Party through his business interests I also saw on the news yesterday that media magnate Kerry Stokes is a close friend of Xi Jinping.

Are these guys blind to the fact that they are puppets of the Chinese Communist Party? Or maybe they believe that Australia has a Chinese future and they want to have a piece of the action.

I was surprised to hear that Andrew Forrest will be reimbursed by the Commonwealth for the $320 million his Minderoo Foundation gave to China for the Wuhan virus test kits. In other words the Australian taxpayer is giving China $320 million - not Andrew Forrest who wants to look as if he is the great philanthropist.

Have I ever recounted the story of the Chinese business woman in Sydney who said "Aren't the Australian dumb!" Yes lady they sure are!

And yesterday on TV in an interview with Andrew Forrest, Karl Stefanovic said this to him:

"You didn't tell the PM's office - you didn't tell the health minister's officer - it's almost like you've performed an act of treason."

All I can do to sum up is to cite the lady from Sydney: Aren't the Australian dumb!

Mr O, Andrew Forrest has no connection what so ever with the Chinese Communist Party, although he requests you refer to him as Comrade Twiggy from now on! Okay, he went to Comrade Xi's birthday party, didn't everybody? Okay he spent the last Xmas hols at Comrade Xi's house, who doesn't?

"Kerry Stokes is a close friend of Xi Jinping" Ain't we all! Only because they play marbles together!

"You didn't tell the PM's office - you didn't tell the health minister's officer" Are you criticising Comrade Twiggy because he has a speech impairment!

What's $320 million between friends, count it out; "one million for ScumO', one, two, millions for Twiggy, one, two, three millions for Xi. etc, etc, etc, what can be fairer than that, sorry I forgot a million for Kezza! We are all in this together! Someone throw Greggy a million to shut him up! As you can see there's plenty of million to go round. You ask about your million, there a cheque in the mail!

Anyway, who tells Scotty and Greggy anything at the best of times?

Paul1405,

Comrade Twiggy! No, never! He is better than that I tell you! How dare you insult him by making him look so low as to be a Comrade. No, No, No! Commissar Twiggy is what he should be: a leader of men I tell you! No mere Comrade for twiggy - he is definitely Commissar material.

Andrew Forrest employs about 5500 people. How many can depend on our resident do-gooders on OLO for their income ?
The Indigenous near our town receive (so rumour has it) Mining Royalties to top up their Welfare.
I don't know how much or how little truth is in that but all I can say is I wish I could afford 4x4's & boats as they do & not have to move a finger !

I don't know what the fuss is about, of course the Chinese will threaten
us with cutting off any trade we might want to progress.
We after all are a vassal country to the Central Kingdom and the natural
process is to just do as we are told and supply whatever they need.
If we want to buy something from them they may agree to supply at their price.
As far as military matters are concerned we should not make any sign of
supporting other vassal states such as the USA.
Sending our ships in company with other vassal state ships uninvited is
to invite significant trouble.

With left loonies like that foolish privileged woman in Victoria writing her spew during work hours one wonders what value education has. The kids are far better off not going to school if she is representative of what a 'successful' modern day career woman is.

Hey runner,

Donald Trump introduced a new twelve-inch doll of
himself that speaks seventeen different phrases,
which is amazing, as that's five more than the real
Donald Trump.

Bazz,

I accept your cynicism of the extent to which Australia has allowed itself to be subdued by China over the past 30 years. Unfortunately it has taken something like the Wuhan virus to make us wake up to the fact that China's aim has always been to control Australian politics, economy, and society. Hopefully it's not too late to reverse the trend and turn back the clock.

But what to do with Chinese ex-pats like Gladys Liu, Andrew Forrest, and Kerry Stokes, just to name a few?

Foxy,

Donald Trump is the weirdest president the US has ever had.

But you need to take into account that he really is just an expression of Republican Party political culture that has it's roots in the early 19th century. He is not behaving any more differently than his forebears did 200 hundred years ago.

The Republican Party has always stood for independent development especially through protectionism using high tariffs, international detente, and isolationism. And hasn't this been Trump's main agenda all along? I think the Wuhan (bat soup) virus has played right into his hands and he will capitalise on it to its fullest extent. I think we are in for a very interesting post-Wuhan (bat soup) virus world so grab your popcorn and soda and pull up a seat and enjoy the show.

In SA, most children have returned to school. But, rather than taking action against dissenting parents for allowing their children to truant, kowtowing to minorities continues, with the children at school, where they belong, not being able to have PE and science lessons because the truants at home will not be able to take part! Australia cannot compete in a very tough world with that sort of tomfoolery.

Those who see Trump as the weirdest POTUS must also see that this POTUS also has the weirdest population to deal with !

one wonders what value education has.
runner,
Good education is priceless but the indoctrination process we've experienced since the Goaf is now becoming unaffordable !

'Hey runner,

Donald Trump introduced a new twelve-inch doll of
himself that speaks seventeen different phrases,
which is amazing, as that's five more than the real
Donald Trump.'

true right Foxy and the people still chose him over Hilary. Says it all.

"Those who see Trump as the weirdest POTUS must also see that this POTUS also has the weirdest population to deal with", says individual.

I like that! Even some of the Republicans are suss.

runner,

Hilary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump.
Their electoral vote needs reforming.

no amount of tantrums will reverse the people's choice Foxy. Last time I checked Trump was still President.

Foxy,

I doubt that will happen: it's all about the political elites not trusting the hoi poloi with determining what should actually happen.

runner,

Nobody is talking tantrums - merely reform.

And this year's election will be interesting.

Mr O,

The US has a huge population - so of course
there's bound to be more lunacy.
Thankfully in this country - party's like
One Nation, Shooter's Fishers, and Farmers are
still a minority.

We've gone through reform after reform, we need reform from reforms ! Let's try common sense as applied by normal, practical thinkers for a change, not by the constant, non-sensical pseudo academic expert quibble of the past five decades !

Dear Indy,

We're talking about the necessary reforms of
the American electoral system.

You might like to look into how come a US
President could get elected when the popular vote
was not with him.

Yep when you can't win change the rules. Typical of sore losers. When they lose the popular vote then they will want it changed back.

runner,

No. there have been only five US presidential
elections in which the winner lost the popular
vote. Reform is being suggested only because
the current US president is nuts.

According to Glenn Fahey, education research fellow at the Centre for Independent Studies, and formerly a consultant at the OECD’s Centre for Educational Research and Innovation, there is a "huge educational loss" to students from learning disruption. Homeschooling works only for some kids. Research repeatedly warned that school closures would undermine children's progress. Yet, overzealous premiers caused a "haphazard" closure of schools - against the advice of the Prime Minister and state and federal health advisors: despite the fact that we already have the dumbest kids in the OECD, who also rate below developing countries.

A few old people dying of the China virus in nursing homes pales into insignificance compared to the deleterious effect on our kids' already dodgy education

I thought it was Biden suffering with dementia Foxy. Oh well, you are the know it all on all matters so who could possibly question you.

ttbn,

I agree with your remark that "Homeschooling works only for some kids." For homeschooling to work it needs parents who have the credentials to teach their offspring in the subjects that are examinable for matriculation.

How many parents would have credentials in a relatively diverse range of topics that include science, history, English, modern languages, geography, mathematics, etc. The parent/s would need to have half a dozen degrees up his/her or their sleeves. How many households would have that capacity? Most parents only have vocational training which is pretty much useless for scholarly pursuits.

So the majority of kids living in households where neither parent has any credentials would be left to their own devices trying to prepare themselves for matriculation exams by researching Google and Wikipedia. Which is probably alright if one wants to end up like a Shadow Minister, LOUDmouth, Hasbeen, etc., but who would wish that on anyone.

runner,

It's not Biden that we have to worry about.

And, I'm not a know-it-all - not by a long shot.
I'm still on my own journey of discovery.

Flattering as your comments are - you've probably
got me confused with your idol - the US President.

He's the one who's convinced that he, and he alone can
do everyone else's job better than they, generals,
climate scientists, public health experts. And he's
always right.

Even when being wrong will cause the additional deaths
of perhaps hundreds of thousands of Americans.
Because he's a nutcase.

For those with a short memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grD_IINiH9c&sns=fb&fbclid=IwAR1fXo5fbOUfh2ReYb5ogw2fABZv3eMUXs-G6L9zwetTzlaxzC6bQkb-XRo

Indy,

Try leaving the s off the http.

Can't access your link.

Dan Tehan lampooned Daniel Andrews on The Insiders this morning for not opening Victorian schools as directed by Soot 'Beam up me Scotty' Morrison and ended up with egg all over his face an hour later when the Victorian Health Minister announced on TV that a school was to be closed after one of its teachers tested positive for the Wuhan bat soup virus.

Dan, you're man! 'Dan The Man'. Now put your dunce hat on and go stand in the corner with Andrew Forrest. No talking, but you can play Swap The Dune Hat with each other.

You people might do well to remember the reason Gladys Berejiklian gave to Sco-Mutt for not insisting schools open on a full time basis at the drop of a hat; that being that the state education department has a duty of care to teachers, and is responsible to provide a "safe work environment" for them to ply their trade.

When asked if the federal government was prepared to foot the bill for any future legal action the state government the answer wasn't an emphatic "yes" the answer was a political "the chief medical officer has said that schools are safe".

When interviewed by the right wing messiah of the Australian Liberal party, Alan Jones at 8am the day after Dan Tehan lampooned Daniel Andrews, Sco-Mutt didn't defend Tehan, he defended Daniel Andrews and said that Tehan was out of order in making those comments.

So while our politicians play with rhetoric and a political agenda, they are not willing to put their money where their mouths are.

Well done to all the state premiers for having the well-being of the people at heart.

Alan Jones during that interview also made the comment that schools were closed. Beg to differ, private schools were closed but public schools have been manned each and every day outside school holidays. My daughter was at school conducting online lessons from the classroom, then she would come home at approximately 6pm, and conduct additional after hours classes for children in their senior years in preparation for their HSC until midnight on most nights.

In future, think twice before assassinating teachers. There are good and bad in every profession, but by and large most people put in a decent day's work for a decent day's pay.

'Well done to all the state premiers for having the well-being of the people at heart.'

just does not extend to the murdered babies hidden by skin and killing off the oldies. Why are regressives so dishonest in displaying their fake compassion.

runner,

Are you all right?