Paul,

"No evidence provided just what mhaze said."

Oh evidence that you were wrong .... http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/27/gov-andrew-cuomo-admits-stockpile-of-thousands-of-unused-ventilators/

"could be 15,000 to 40,000 times, could be anything"

Yes it could be anything. We'll probably never know just as we don't know how many people were killed in the Great Leap Forward or the Tienanmen massacre.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3?op=1&r=US&IR=T

But what I was alerting you and others who haven't seen a Chinese lie they didn't immediately accept as gospel is that only the most credulous think the Chinese figures are true. It could be 15 times or 40 times or 10 times. But the current figures are a fantasy. So planning on comparing the door welders with the rest is a fools errand.

" I don't much care for American politics..."

Well you do until you find out that your fantasies about Trump are just that.

"Are you a YANK!"

No. But I do recognise that the future and well-being of Australia is intimately linked to the future and well-being of the USA

Dear mhaze,

'grown past'

You wrote; "I was talking more about how you'd fallen HL&S for the Russian collusion story, the Trump as a warmonger meme, Trump destroying the economy meme, Trump being wrong on Warren's heritage meme, Trump loosing the trade war moronosity etc etc"

You are doing it again. Utterly making things up. I welcomed the US getting out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership and hoped the whole thing would fall over. It was you lot who were spruiking its benefits and now you have somehow landed on the other end of side of the debate. I just can't keep up.

As to him destroying the economy all I did was to point out he was driving the economy off the back of some serious deficits. If you are of the opinion now that deficits are not a problem well okay.

Your president was of course wrong on Warren not having any Indian heritage as the genetic results showed. He should have paid up.

And where did I say he was a war monger?

I really don't know what imagined conversations have gone on in your head but perhaps a read through my post history might serve to separate reality from delusion.

Does anyone know if this is a Chinese mining company:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/fears-for-water-quality-after-nsw-allows-coalmining-extension-under-sydneys-worona-reservoir/ar-BB11VXPS

Mr O,

"Does anyone know if this is a Chinese mining company"

Its not .....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peabody_Energy

SR,

"Utterly making things up. I welcomed the US getting out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership..."

Well good. I didn't mention it in any way, shape or form, so the segue, and quite what I made up, is unclear, but nonetheless...

"Your president was of course wrong on Warren not having any Indian heritage as the genetic results showed."

This is quintessential SR. Even Warren now admits to not being an Indian. But SR, being psychologically incapable of acknowledging error, soldiers on in his fantasy-world.

And just to round off the delusions in this thread from the likes of SR and Paul_etc....China is Asshole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fwgVUfW_O4

mhaze, you said; "I do recognise that the future and well-being of Australia is intimately linked to the future and well-being of the USA"

Has that been the case in the past, since WWII, when as a subservient follower of the United States we have been dragged into US wars of aggression in Asia, Afghanistan and the Middle East. Blindly being drawn into these wars of aggression, where millions perished at the hands of the aggressor, what conceivable benefits did this little flunkie receive? Nothing but dead Australians, and being made a nuclear target, not even a voice to be listened to by others.

Once this coronavirus is over, America will once more look for another war of aggression to boost its failing economy. In such an event should Australia blindly follow its political master? I think not, I favour Australia to be nonaligned with any foreign power, including the United States and China.

Paul1405,
Found this today !
Is this our fault! Only because we are innocent and gullible OLD AGE PENSION QUIETLY CHANGED TO WELFARE PAYMENT
The Old Age Pension cheque is now (or soon will be) referred to as a "Low Income Aged Persons Welfare?"
I'll be part of the one percent to forward this. I am forwarding it because it touches a nerve in me, and I hope it will in you. Please keep passing it on until everyone in our country has read it.

The 7.5% of our wages deducted before tax for the whole of our working lives has been stolen by both sides of politics in collusion to pay skyrocketing welfare and foreign aid budgets.

If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $120,000 harvested by the government pension fund.

If you calculate the future value of your monthly investment in a pension ($375/month at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly), after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved!

This is your personal investment. Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per year, or $3,277 per month.

That's almost three times more than today's average Old Age Pension benefit of $1,230 per month.
Except I have never met any pensioner who actually gets this much!

And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts.