More than 72% of Gen Z ‘don’t know nuclear power is low carbon energy’

Dimitri Macrokefalidis EnergyLive News:

Only 26% of people aged 18-24 understand that nuclear power is a low carbon source of electricity, compared with 76% for renewables such as wind and solar, according to a new poll by the Institution of Mechanical Engineers (IMechE).

Older people are more likely to say that nuclear power is low carbon. The poll found the level of understanding rising from 47% among 35 to 44-year olds to 61% among 65 to 74-year olds, although it remains well below levels seen for renewables.

Good on the Mech Eng’s for asking. I call “fake” on the protesters that tell us the world is at stake but can’t be bothered learning the basics.

So next time you see a bunch of kids, [under 30s] protesting on the street, just remember they are the worst educated, least knowledgeable members of the population.

They are also the most gullible, likely to form their opinions with very little actual knowledge of anything, except mobile phones.

How useful can their objection to nuclear power be, when 72% of them are not even aware that nuclear is a much lower CO2 emitter than ANY other power generation including wind & solar over the full lifetime of the unit.

I guess we can thank the take over of the education system by the ladies for such a glaring lack of knowledge in our youth. It would be interesting to find how many primary school teachers actually know this, & how many would try to pass it on to their students.

Dear Hasbeen,

«Only 26% of people aged 18-24 understand that nuclear power is a low carbon source of electricity»

This is not a matter of knowledge or understanding, but of terminology, hence youngsters are not quite incorrect:

When you speak of 'carbon', you refer to the chemical element with 6 protons and (usually) 6 neutrons, but when they speak of 'carbon', they speak of a symbolic evil entity which includes many aspects, including older people with carbonized brains and anything else that was invented before they were born.

Hasbeen, you're leaving out a very important detail: the survey was only conducted in Britain.

Your rhetoric also relies on the extremely dubious assumption that the protesters share the general population's ignorance of the subject. In reality, those who take enough of an interest to protest are likely to find out a lot more.

Hasbeen,

You sound jealous of young people. Can't take being old eh?

Mr O.

I think it's a deeper malady than that.

The depression of old age you struggle to comprehend, is an expression of the insecurity of the aging factor.
The aged are invariably sidelined, it's a struggle with the reality of the status of insignificance in society.
Resentment is too often the end product, with some pretty obvious outcomes here.

You'll get an argument against that idea of course.
Follow this link, it may give you some understanding of OLO behaviour.

http://www.agingcare.com/articles/how-to-handle-an-elderly-parents-bad-behavior-138673.htm

Dan

Dan

Dear Hasbeen,

You ask why young people aren't as on board the nuclear option as yourself. Perhaps it is because old coots with an agenda are putting out crap like this;

"How useful can their objection to nuclear power be, when 72% of them are not even aware that nuclear is a much lower CO2 emitter than ANY other power generation including wind & solar over the full lifetime of the unit."

Just go to the Wikipedia page to see the breakdowns; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emissions_of_energy_sources

The last IPCC report had onshore wind power slightly under nuclear with a median gCO2eq/kWh of 11.

Can you please try and make your points without fudging the figures. I'm sure you will understand a certain reticence of our young having the events in Japan etched into their minds.

Jealous of young people, inheriting a world created by the likes of Mr O & Paul, you've got to be kidding

They have a world polluted with greeny madness to start with, not the sensible world I grew up & lived in most of my life.

I could drive my car at any speed I deemed safe, legally. That my judgement was spot on is proven by my still living. Averaging 80 MILES/Hour from Sydney to Melbourne was no problem.

I could walk into a Big W & buy any fire arm I needed to protect myself, family & livestock, no bit of paper needed.

I did not have to support armies of bureaucrats academics & useless local government parasites, & thus paid less than 10% tax.

I could climb on my yacht & sail anywhere without having to have a dozen licenses. When I got my commercial masters tickets they were certificates of competency for life, not some licence requiring renewal annually.

Schools taught real subjects. The average 15 year old kid had enough math to handle an electrical apprenticeship, unlike 18 year high school graduates who need a remedial math course to do the same course today.

Aidan have you been in a Queensland school recently. It's much worse here.

Dan I can't agree. Now that I know that the end is not that far away it actually empowers me. I no longer have to worry about my money lasting my lady & I. I know there will be even a bit left for my kids. I can now indulge in the luxury of building a new 3 car garage for my sports cars & shopping trolley, with an extra bit to keep & work on my remote control planes.

I don't have to keep fighting with a 30 year old pump to have water up at the house, I can buy a new one.

The main thing is to get through your bucket list as early as possible, then you can sit back & enjoy the view with no regrets.

yep an entitled generation who don't know that a baby born with a penis is a boy. They don't know grade 2 biology and think they know how to save the planet.

Everybody should keep in mind that Hasbeen is the only ever recipient of a Bachelor of Science in Engineering from the University of Sydney. Even poor old Dr John Bradfield of Sydney Harbour Bridge fame only managed to obtain a Bachelor of Engineering.

Hasbeen

*...then you can sit back & enjoy the view with no regrets...*

I think you've just hit on the problem, which you believe to be the solution.

To be truly engaged in life to the point of empathy towards your fellow man, requires more than self satisfaction with the personal outcome of your hoarding instincts.

That is a too crude approach to life for this black duck. But best of luck with that one.

Dan

Talking to a Yacht woman yesterday, I was told that, when she was up in Caroline Islands some years back, one of the small communities couldn't get any decisions out of the Green type bureaudroids re a new Power station. So, they simply got hold of an old 160' fishing trawler, anchored it in front the of the village laid a cable to shore. Bingo ! There was their power !
Apparently the Russians are doing similarly with some out-of-date nuclear ships.
Plenty of power, no academic "experts" involved to complicate things !
Imagine if this kind of practical sense were available here ?

Dan unless you want to be dependent on the tender mercies of the age care system of today, I suggest you start developing a bit of that hoarding mentality yourself.

I still have a host of friendships developed over a rich & varied life. Unfortunately at this age, some of them are dropping off the perch, & quite a few no longer jump into a car to drive hundreds of kilometers to see each other. I find it better today to chat via the net, but it makes the contact very little less satisfying.

It is difficult for me to find much empathy with the mobile phone brigade of todays younger generation, & see it as pretty pointless. At a gathering recently I looked around & found over 60% of the younger folk were all gazing at a little glowing box in their hand. If this is the empathy you suggest, I can do with out it.

empathy towards your fellow man
diver dan,
To me it depends on the empathy fellow man shows, many don't deserve any at all !

Hasbeen

One thing that hasn't slipped past the keeper, is your astounding ability to hide your own hypocrisy from yourself.

Dan

Hallelujah.

Individual is now a self proclaimed "God ".

Dan

Hasbeen, has a love of all things nuclear, a while back on the Forum he suggested we "NUK" 200 million men, women and children in Pakistan, on the pretext that we should get them before they get us. Hassy will conveniently not respond to this prod, but he certainly said it!

On that score Hasbeen would make Hitler and Stalin look like a couple of choir boys.

SR the IPCC say wind power is the cheapest? Not so! My bills keep going up and its the fault of the diffuse solar and wind but much more the corrupt IPCC. They cannot be trusted and are working on destroying the West, they will tell any lie and our Government should just pull out of the UN full stop!

I'm pleased I read the life and times of Chaucer in the fourteenth century.

A suspenseful time for most who just got on with life. Wake up in the morning, throw your dead kids over your shoulder, and wander up to the church yard to throw their body into the mass grave, then back home to pack the school lunches; less one or two, just depending on how many survived for a new day.

I think I'm wasted!

Dan

A grim proposal to come out of the UK, when hospitals become stretched to the limit, those 80 and over should not be considered for Coronavirus treatment, such as respirators. Sounds rather callous, but all things considered it would give young people a fighting chance of building up herd immunity to the virus over time, and save the lives of many, and leave the youngest and fittest in society to carry on. This could become necessary in Australia as well.

I think I'm wasted!
diver dan,
Naw, you're a mistake, just ask your parents !

The early plagues were actually a positive turning point in history. Societies were forced to move along and develop new ways of survival.
A time for technological advancement. A period of enlightenment followed.
Very unhappy for the plagued residents though unfortunately.

Keeping to the generational theme of this thread, the question should be raised; is there a conspiracy to reduce the number of dependent aged burden on society, by the introduction of engineered viruses? That is by no means a novel theory. It has justice.

Currently the US defence department are supporting fellowships into the study of the dormancy of the plague bacteria at the death sites of African prairie dogs, a modern day carrier of the plague. And the reason? Possible use for resurrection of the plague as a bio-weapon.

What is strange about the idea of an engineered virus to introduce into enemy populations, which cause narcolepsy. Whole countries in sound sleep before invading armies.

I read my Grimms.

Dan

Possible use for resurrection of the plague as a bio-weapon.
diver dan,
Just send aid in the form of sterilising food because we can't rely on people to exercise self-control !

And what about the development of a virus which gives our pet dogs, the descendents of wolves, the recognition of Grandmothers as food value.

A virus with the added ability to etch signs on front doors; "no entry to woodcutters".

Mmm.

Grim Dan.

"A grim proposal to come out of the UK, when hospitals become stretched to the limit, those 80 and over should not be considered for Coronavirus treatment, such as respirators". Paul.

I very much doubt you would find many 80 year olds here Paul, who would not agree with this.

Most of us would definitely say, look after our kids first, & include other folks kids in that.

If I am unlucky enough to cop a dose my main hope is that the palliative care is operating efficiently. I don't mind the idea of leaving so much, but would prefer not do do it in extreme pain.

Paul, heard an interesting item on BBC radio the other day on the
subject of shortage of respirators.
An international group of 3D printer users, individuals, companies etc
have a 3D design and they are producing them for free and giving them
to hospitals in the countries where they are domiciled. It appears that
they are operating on a large scale as a group.

Bazz,

At least the UK has manufacturers left who will be producing ventilators - Rolls Royce, Dyson etc - along with their core manufacturing. We don't have this, thanks to the de-industrialisation of the country in favour of Chinese, who have given us the virus.

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The last time I looked at the data, the reticulation system to the power generators and battery backup was not included in the cost and CO2 output. Given the variability of wind, the sizing of the reticulation to the wind generators needs to be sized for its full capacity or 3.5 times its average output whereas for nuclear it is closer to 1.3 times. If this is taken into account, with battery backup then Nuclear power has the lowest carbon footprint by a country mile.

Solar also has a major problem. Maximum output is only available at midday.
Unless you use tracking, but not suitable for rooftops.
It doesn't get out of bed until about 9am this time of year, provided
that it is not overcast as it is today.
Then it takes it easy for afternoon tea about 3pm. 2pm in winter.
It starts feeling very tied by 4pm and is fast asleep by 5pm except
when it is fooled by daylight saving time till 6pm.

Some say a jolt from a battery will help. Well true but then you need
more solar to charge the battery.