I'm sure a lot of us have a story or two to tell about project home builders.

From my own experience I think project home builders are just low life scumbags.

And what pray, is your beef with project builders Mr O?

Dan

project home builder
I have never heard of that, I'd imagine it's what we call owner/builder in Qld ?

I was forced to do it myself as every builder I contacted let me wait months at at a time only to turn around afterwards & tell me that they were too busy working in the indigenous communities around the Cape.

In our Shire there appear to be more owner/builders because of that situation. Govt contracts are simply too enticing for builders to worry about some bloke's home.

Indy I just don't believe your Abo bashing. Provide evidence, if you had a contract why didn't you take legal action?
Of course there are project home builders, some offer land and house packages others the house on your land.
Mr O the cost can be deceptive as some don't include add ones and variations can add big$$$.

individual,

What rock have you been hiding under. There are plenty of project home builders. You must have heard of groups like GJ Gardner and Masterton Homes for example. There are dozens of them.

Mr O, some project homes builders are ok, others are shonky. Add ons can include excavation costs, paths, fences, extra drainage some extra electrical some plumbing. Extra cost if you change the basic plan. Better inclusions like kitchen cupboard doors better bench tops. If you have built in in bedrooms if you say want mirror doors that's extra, bathroom to vanity unit can upgrade but it all adds to the cost as does stove type and hot water unit capacity.

diver dan,

You ask why I have a beef. Let me give you an example.

A project home builder did not use T2 termite resistant timber as specified on the construction drawings for the house frames and only used untreated timbers.

NSW Fair Trading gave the builder a rectification order to replace the frames.

The builder phoned the Council and the Council gave the builder a letter that could be used by the builder to get Fair Trading to rescind the rectification order.

The builder was able to walk away from the job leaving the homeowner with an unservicable house frame and a massive debt.

What do you think about that?

diver dan,

The line "The builder phoned the Council and the Council gave the builder a letter that could be used by the builder to get Fair Trading to rescind the rectification order." should correctly read:

The builder phoned the Council and the Council gave the builder a letter that was able to be used by the builder to get Fair Trading to rescind the rectification order.

In Country areas the game is totally different, owner/builder is the way to go.
Way up in the very far North, Govt housing starts at a cool million for a standard 4 bedroom home now. The cost are driven up by Quarantine regulations, freight & unrealistic penalty rates.

Indy, I believe you live in a tree? Trees are cheap! Up there in the Deep North. Are you still on board with my Seniors National Service, planting more tree houses seems a good option. What do you think?

What do you think?
Paul1405,
Geez mate, you still need to ask ? I think the same as many others here about you !
Full of discount wit & no idea !

Indy, since the Forum is mostly populated by crusty old farts like your good self, the 85 plus brigade, it's an honour to get under your skin. A job well done. Sadly the number of decent posters has diminished over the years and we are left to argue with a few half witted geriatrics, with nothing better you'll just have to do.

Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 5 March 2020 7:36:57 PM

" ... Sadly the number of decent posters has diminished over the years and we are left to argue with a few half witted geriatrics, with nothing better you'll just have to do. ... "

HaHaHa .. indeed, sad but true. 10 years ago there were was certainly better talent in the mix.

I especially miss the contest between "BOAZ & Pericles" and recall there was something of a mass exodus when f.wits like ttbn and his like turned up. I guess for a lot of people they simply weren't getting the same interest and relief on account of the excess of brick headed morons.

I think it would be better to relegate some of them to a server full of bots and they can thrash about to their heart's content for a minimal cost.

Everyone needs to make a crust and the more people on full living wages the better however, as a general rule australian house are crap. Grossly overpriced and 90% dirt on top of a worthless sandpit.

Far worse than Corona virus, the real pandemic is the parasites in this country.

My advices to you ding-a-lings is, sell up, and with 500 grand+ bucks, better have a deluxe villa on the beach in Bali for $10,000 a year

(or build your own for $50,000)

Invest the balance, keep your medicare, PBS medication and your pension.

As for the rest of it australia, you can stick it up yr @#%^

HaHaHa

P.S.

For a little extra, you can have a nice young nurse to tend to your needs ;-)

rEPRUSu,

You are a sick man!

Did you hear the one about the project home builder who knowingly sold a house that was not fully compliant with the Building Code of Australia.

It went to the NSW Tribunal and the Tribunal rescinded the contract but allowed the builder to cover his costs by keeping half go the owner's 5% deposit.

Again a case of the builder walks away undamaged while the homeowner suffers a financial loss at no fault of his.

Would this example suggest that the Tribunal is biased towards the builders and does not care if the innocent homeowner incurs a financial loss?

Hi Mr O, see the latest ScumO' money waster $347,000 to the so called "tradie" Scott Cam, aka TV personality, to promote trade appenticships. The bloke has been in the job 6 months and done sweet FA. The minister and dept head can't say exactly what Cam will be doing to earn that big pay. BTW I would love to see the blokes "trade certificate". In another life before TV he was a builders labourer, Drank at a pub in Redern most days, where I would have a beer now and then myself. Was always a bit of a mouth. Maybe $347k could be put into TAFE to replace a little of the millions LNP have cut out over the years.

The bloke has been in the job 6 months and done sweet FA.
Paul1405,
The Opposition's been in the job for years at hundreds of millions & has done sfa !
I can't handle Scott Cam's persona & whenever he comes on I switch Channel. Bad move by the Govt putting him on.

Indy, you bang on about sticking kids into your boot camp, but not concerned for kids who would like just the opportunity of a start at a decent job as an apprentice. Instead $347,000 for a bloke who is all mouth. In 6 months SC has attended the official launch with ScumO', and did one 'Facebook' post. I ask you, is that value for taxpayer money? Then $250 million of tax money on rorts is typical of this ScumO' mob.

Paul1405,
Well, how much are you costing us then ? I'm now getting an Old Age Pension for which I have paid for out of every single Dollar I've ever earned. You ? My guess is that you're getting A Superannuation handsomely beefed up by our Tax Dollars. After all, didn't the former Pension fund get rolled over into Public Service Super ?
Yes, this Govt made a stupid move with this Scott Cam mutt !

Indy, you guess wrong I don't receive 1c in government benefit, certainly no PS pension. Unlike you no taxpayer welfare. If you paid tax in the past it was used in the past for your benefit, defence, dole payments, health care etc. Now today's taxpayers like me meet your welfare payment today. Sad how you must have piss it up against the wall and didn't provide for your old age. You did say the last welfare increase wasn't enough to buy you another schooner.

INDY mate, some years ago, a bit past the g.f.c. there was something of an exodus of pensioners from australia and the scum in canberra clamped down on the rules visa vi portability of pension income but there's still a bit of room to move.

You can still live a handsome middle class life style on your pension alone, so long as your smart and interface with and learn the local economy.

For the price of a standard take away $15 meal here, you can enjoy a glass of wine and a wagyu steak on the beach there.

You can employ staff for less than $10 a day to cook and clean for you.

You've done your time. You've worked your life. You've paid your ..ing rip off taxes. It's your turn now for a bit of well deserved R&R.

The weather isn't to everyones taste but most adapt and you can always go up the mountain otherwise.

however, a fool and their money are quickly parted in Asia so you need to do your homework. One way to tackle the issue is go up for a holiday or 3, get to know the locals, get involved with the strong ex-pat communities. Take your time and don't presume anything, and have no illusion that the Indos in their own environment are more savvy and cunning than the proverbial sh!t house rat. But it can be done.

My last old mate that I lost, Big Tony

(ex South Fremantle footy player and ex aus military)

would often point out some of the common values of the ex-pat community. And that is, in their twilight years, be #@$%'ed if they would ever come back here to this sh!t hole to be locked up once they could no longer look after themselves.

Rather, they'd shack up with a local who would live and die for them, taking care of all of their needs knowing that when the time came that they would be secure into the future on account of inheriting what was left. The locals call that a "Win-Win" solution.

Oh NO!

Looks like my interesting expose on project home builders and the social parasites that feed off the home building industry viz., the Tribunals, the Councils, etc., has been hijacked by The Forum's OLD FARTS CLUB.

rEPRUSu,
Yeah, I recall the big Goaf years when he & grubby Grasby gave full Pension to 10 year migrants to go back to their home countries.
Now, because of these shonks' squandering the funds & emptying the coffers in return for votes many of us have to literally fight to get a pension.
Next door, the bloke has never really worked, goes to taxpayer funded rehab whenever he's short of money, gets rent assistance & is staunch Labor to the point of getting almost physical in a debate.
I know of quite a lot of Australian blue collar jockeys who live in Asian countries because they believe they can't afford a decent life here. Thanks to the pension funds having been rolled into the Public Service Super fund.
I am one of the lucky ones as I never drank as our resident mutt suggests & despite having been robbed several times & received no compensation via insurance I got through & I am enjoying a good life on the Old Age pension. I believe I'm more deserving of the Pension than the countless number of ex bureaucrats on their 75-100 Grand Super for ruining many families in their "working" years.

Your right Mr O, with the industry very much controlled by big developers with political clout. Shoddy work, going belly up, outrageous costs, the can too often being carried by the consumer. Look at the state of housing in NSW particularly Sydney, lack of planning, urban sprawl, lack of infrastructure, outrageous costs. No wonder Harry T is about the richest man in Australia.

Paul1405,

What do you think of the two cases I outlined?

the social parasites that feed off the home building industry viz., the Tribunals, the Councils,
Mr Opinion,
The LG in Qld is entirely Labor ! Explains it all doesn't it !

Mr O, you highlight what is systemic in a corrupt system. The consumer may think justice will be served (in their favour) only to be disapointed and way out of pocket.

Indy, you should be thankful for socialism, it keeps you in welfare and out of the gutter. And also gets you two too many schooners down at gods waiting room. BTW what year did you flee South Africa?

individual and Paul1405,

As a sociologist I will be preparing a study of the sort of systemic problems that I have been outlining and will be disseminating it to the public.

I'm looking for information to include in my study.

What do you think of the Council that gave a letter to the builder that the builder was able to use to get Fair Trading to rescind a rectification order for the builder to replace the non-compliant house frames. The builder actually put in an application to the Tribunal for the owner to pay the cost of the non-complying frames as well as (and get this!) pay the cost of replacing the frames. And get this! The Tribunal suggested that the owner should apologise to the builder for causing trouble for the builder.

Well start at the beginning Mr O.

1. Invasion
2. Genocide
3. Land theft

4. State guvments -> Developers

Trace the entire length of the business model all the way to the parasitic privatisation of everything and the rules that favor business over people.

5. Stupid, ignorant people who want change but continue to vote for the mainstream scum of australian politics who will never give you what you want. The rules of the game need to be changed. I personally favor a further hybridisation of the economy. Some parts nationalised, some parts socialised, some parts pure free market. Universal medical and legal ..

1. Invasion
2. Genocide
3. Land theft

rEPRUSu,
Are you indigenous ? If not, what are you doing here & if you are when will we have paid enough compensation ?
Are you living a traditional life style or are you hypocritical enough to accept compensation & all associated benefits yet still claim dispossession ?
The time has come to either stop accepting benefits & compensation or get back to your traditional existence. You have more than enough land to do so.

Actually, by way of ethnicity I am half Breton and half english, though a genetic test would no doubt be more revealing.

But that does not mean I cannot advocate for justice when I see injustice.

It does not mean that I do not have a Heart for them on account of different ethnicity.

The original people do not want the scraps from your table mate, so without respect I suggest you stick them up your proverbial.

What they want, and what they are entitled to in my view is the return of their Sovereignty. In fact, right across the globe it is well past time that the Western nations (primarily) returned their property and the Sovereignty of those they brutalised. There are no statutes of limitations upon the horrific crimes that they have suffered.

Once done, Australia will look more like Europe.

The original people will once again own their land and sea in entirety and I expect whilst aspects of traditional life may be a choice for some, others will roll on with mining etc2 and become complete societies in their own right, much as their Indonesian forebears did once the dutch pigs were removed

(and what a shame the nazis didn't #@%^ them up more. And yes, in Indonesia you can still purchase nazi paraphernalia. And that's not to say that the Indos approve of the nazis per se, but rather it is a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my FRIEND.")

And yours is a typical racist white trash attitude. "Go back to your traditional life then."

It may come as a surprise to you, but the Original people have evolved as do all people, with the exception of some scum whose attitudes lie buried deep in an evil past. And just because you all want to pretend how nice and pc you are now, does not account for what has already occured. At the very least, a vote for the mainstream is a vote to maintain the dispossession.

The original people do not want the scraps from your table mate,
rEPRUSu,
Where did I suggest that ?

What they want, and what they are entitled to in my view is the return of their Sovereignty.
Where did I suggest they're not entitled ?

Being born to a people who were dispossessed two Centuries ago is not an automatic entitlement to do nothing to better your life. Just tearing at healed wounds is both unfruitful & lacking initiative.

There is no area on this Planet that hasn't been taken over by newcomers or invaders.
Unless you're deeply religious you'd accept that as evolution.

There are many indigenous who'd disagree with you because I have discussed this with many. I & they acknowledge the dispossession but what you're doing is stirring unnecessary disharmony & by doing so you're sabotaging any hope of a positive outcome.
By you'r own admission you're not indigenous either so, why not vacate this land if you don't believe it is right for an outsider to occupy it ? Or, at the least put your money where your mouth is & help the indigenous to achieve the ability to gain sovereignity. I did so, why not you too ? You'll find that you can only do so much & if a certain number of indigenous are not inclined to put in an effort other than calling out entitlement !
I found that those real indigenous I worked with & discussed this with are actually not at all in favour of southern do-gooders who don't actually have a clue, perpetually interfering in their lives.
There are many indigenous who WANT to build & own their own homes but mainly Labor orientated Govts don't allow them to do so.
Wayne Goss came to power & "WHAM" the flood gates opened & the manipulators spread like a plague & disrupted the then slow but sure progress with lightning fast disruption & regress. They bought the community leaders & the rest is history !

go back snivelling to your white trash mates indy. You have no idea.

Dear Fellow OLO'ers, it is my opinion that rEPRUSu is overstepping the mark ! what do you think ?

Seems perfectly reasonable to me Indy, but I'm not the judge. So for balance maybe rEPRUSu can throw a few barbs my way, then you might feel better.

Paul,

Your new friend sounds suspiciously like Misopinionated on a bad day, maybe his big brother, both a couple of trolls with nothing substantial to contribute.

Be careful who you get into bed with :)

Joe

Paul1405,

I don't feel personally offended as much as I'm offended by rEPRUSu's clearly racist remarks.
He/she/it is dragging many decent non-whites down with those stupid innuendo !
This kind of crap-stirring hate speech is way over the line.

Indy, I haven't generally agreed or supported rEPRUSu comments as directed at you. Gee, I give you enough, but I do realise you are just an old bloke with conservative opinions which is your right and you put them up like the rest of us. I don't take offence at what others say, some on here do take things very personal, which is just how they are.

Paul1405,
I have no problem with your reply but I get the feeling that some people seem to think that being older as opposed to old & senile is a starting gun for less experienced people to be insipid.
It's obviously a generational thing to dismiss decades of actual experience in favour of religiously believing indoctrination.
All we oldies can do is offer advise or make statements based on actual experience.
rEPRUSu's reply is borderline racism & hate speech ! As you well know, this kind of rhetoric is designed to cause problems, not solve them !

Hi Indy, got a young Islander boy staying with us, maybe for a year. He's doing a 1 year graphic design course here in Brisbane. Next year will return to Fiji to take up studies in Suva. The point is got himself part time work $20/hr, washing cars, within 1 day of arrival, despite not knowing the big smoke at all, got his Go Card for public transport, got him a new cheap mobile fone, will pay tax and save some and send something home to family. If he can do it any kid can. Agree? BTW we want him to be independent as much as possible while he's here.

Loudmouth,

There you go again displaying your low brow English usage.