Carol Sparks had this to say,

"Glen Innes mayor Carol Sparks: 'To deny climate change is, to me, very ill-informed.'
Carol Sparks, the mayor of Glen Innes Severn council, which had an absolute horror weekend dealing with the fires, spoke to ABC TV this morning about Michael McCormack’s interview, where he said he found it “galling” to have climate change raised as the cause of worsening fires:

Well, I probably couldn’t respond how I really feel on television but I think that Michael McCormack needs to read the science, and that is what I am going by, is the science.

It is not a political thing. It is a scientific fact that we are going through climate change.

Of course it’s not relevant at the moment when people’s houses are burning and you’ve lost lives, and you’ve lost friends, and you’ve lost family.

You don’t think, “Oh, this is climate change.” You think, “What am I going to do next and how will I save myself?”

But the overall thing is we are so dry in this country – we haven’t had rain for years in some places. All the dams and creeks and rivers are dry, and we need to look at what we’re going to do about that in the future. To deny climate change is, to me, a very ill-informed and uneducated way of looking at things."

Who's right, she or the Deputy PM?
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2019/nov/11/morrison-coalition-labor-bushfires-monday-politics-live?page=with:block-5dc8827b8f08c2d1f80dd528#block-5dc8827b8f08c2d1f80dd528

Well I see the Marxist Greens who believe in scaremongering the population blame the Governments for the fires as though they are the polluters. They had to get in first with the blame. The Federal Government do not control where people build, and if they keep their surrounding environment safe.

I have lived in the bush on the north Coast NSW and seen crowning fires 100 meters from our home; also through many devastating fires on the Blue Mountains in NSW. Fires are a part of Australia that happen every year, that this year is especially dry means they have started earlier in the season.

Lashing out in anger by the Mayor is merely venting her feelings, not identifying any science. The Glen Innis fires were deliberately lit, it was not the climate that lit the fires.

Who's right? Well, there are obviously two sides with different opinions on that. The people who say 'believe the science', but who mean only the science that fits their ignorant superstitions - they totally ignore the scientists who have opposing views and are given little publicity by the corrupt media. They are the 'mob think' group, typified by this hick country mayor. They allow other people to do their thinking for them, and are generally Left-leaning disruptors, who rely on the mainstream media for their information.

The other side are thinkers who sift through the hysteria and make up their own minds. Their memories of bushfires and weather in the past are superior to those of the goldfish above. They realise that there are more political activists than actual scientists squawking gloom, doom and downright bullshite.

There will never be agreement until there are no longer billions of dollars available for politicians (who mainly belong to the first group) to throw around, and the West has been dragged back to the wretched, poor pre-industrial stage.

The culprits responsible for the man-made climate change lies and scare-mongering will not receive the justice they deserve.

There are no bushfires just as there is no climate
change. It's all a communist plot - added to and fabricated
by the media and the Greens. It's a world-wide
lie perpetuated by false science and false news.
The images that you see
on TV of burning fires are computer-generated or sourced
from previous news in past years. Things are not getting
worse - and the fire-fighters who tell you that they are -
are all liars and probably anti-government agents.

So lets'all carry-on - business as usual. After all there
are many more planets to inhabit - we don't just have to
settle for this one.

Dear Foxy,

Is it true that national parks authorities in NSW (and maybe Qld ?) have cut back on autumn-winter cool burns, back-burns, removal of timber, etc., to reduce the fuel load in national parks ?

If so, we don't have to posit climate change, although that wouldn't have helped. Just common or garden bureaucratic incompetence.

Love,

Joe

The increasing loss of housing and lives in bushfires was always going to happen because we have an increasing population living in bush land and unable to clear their land of trees due to council regulations.
50/60 years ago millions of acres of land getting burnt was normal but we didn’t hear about it because there wasn’t even any tv in this country, let alone internet. We had to rely on the radio and newspaper for information, so most people were unaware of the extent of bushfire damage.
Today, every happening, however minor, is instantly transported into homes via the internet, which makes people hypersensitive to issues once considered normal.

I looked after a third of my states forestry and national parks workers
They had highly trained firefighters and carried out winter burns
Even went overseas, the National parks included jumpers who, like Americans, had the ability to jump from planes to get right into fires Climate change? the lack of rain, the increasingly early start
climate change at work
Both forms of government cut and crippled those trained firefighters
As a result it has become impossible to burn off in winter
Tree huggers in any case uninformed as they are, sponsor firestorms by complaining about what is the only weapon, winter burns
Climate change, man made, is real

Hey Is Mise,

I read a different article that also quoted the Mayor of Glen Innes

http://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-bring-the-politics-into-the-fire-what-people-in-the-thick-of-the-bushfires-are-saying-about-climate-change-20191111-p539iu.html

I thought another comment was telling.

Quote>>Merrie Hunt, Macksville Country Women's Association secretary: “[Mr McCormack] shouldn’t have said it. The fact is the people who used to work in the National Parks Service who were employed to clear the roads and care for the trees have all lost their jobs. They have put off all the workers on the ground and kept all the people in the offices. So the bush isn’t being managed like it used to be. I just think he shouldn’t have said that - this is a natural disaster and it's divisive.”<<

What I want to know is whether or not the Climate Change agenda is linked to the practices surrounding fire prevention and management.
It seems to me they have brought these changes in that increase the changes of larger out of control bushfires in order to ramp up the damage of said bushfires in order to provide extra narrative for supporting the Climate Change agenda.

I'm not blaming Climate Change.
I'm blaming the Climate Change agenda for poor management practices.

Most of current lot of politicians probably couldn't dress themselves or tie their own shoelaces on their own;
Most probably couldn't run a chook raffle properly let alone be responsible for managing national policy for the lives of 25 million people.

Foxy

if you really believe the rot you write, you would be protesting outside the Chinese and Indian Emabassy's. Instead you will make it up as you go along and use people's misery to push the idiotic gw religion.

Dear Josephus,

You wrote; “Lashing out in anger by the Mayor is merely venting her feelings”.

My god, just listen to yourself. It wasn't the mayor lashing out in anger and venting but instead it was that idiot McCormack. I thought the mayor's response was measured and reasonable.

How you can read the exact opposite when the evidence is right in front of you is really worrying. Try to get a better grip on reality mate because from where I am sitting it looks pretty tenuous.

Steele,

"I thought the mayor's response was measured and reasonable."

Obviously you don't know the Mayor.
She lives in Wytalibah, nestled among the tins of petrol, sorry, gumtrees.
The residents of that town and other tree-hugger villages have been warned repeatedly of what would happen in a bushfire and now they are reaping the benefits of their wisdom and their rejection of sound advice.

A home among the gumtrees ain't like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLWzPQmd5sc

Hi Steele,

Is it true that in national parks, over the last decade or two, there have been reductions in back-burning, cool-burning, clearing of dead trees, weed-reduction, etc. as working staff have been laid off and office staff come more and more to dictate policy - away from conservation and towards recreation and tourism ?

Cheers,

Joe

"There are no bushfires just as there is no climate change".

There are bushfires. Climate change is real. They are just not connected.

As for the rest of the rant ... well something is bound to happen to a mind disconnected from reality for so long.

Dear Is Mise,

I was talking about her response which Josephus referred to as angry and venting when it was no such thing. Any thing else is superfluous to the discussion one would have thought.

Dear Loudmouth,

That is not the case here in Victoria where a 5% mandated target is in place to burn off each year.

But yes constant cuts to environmental services is pretty much the norm across the country and NSW is not likely to be any different, particularly under a Liberal government.

Steele,

5 % ?! So a sort of twenty-year cycle, that's the theory ? Sounds a bit too long .....

Joe

runner and ttbn,

Trying to keep up with your comments of -
"the rot you write" and
"minds disconnected from reality for so long."
Here is my response to you both.

What about the beliefs that:

"There's an invisible man living in the sky
who watches everything you do, every minute of
every day. And the invisible man has a special
list of ten things he does not want you to do.
And if you do any of these ten things he has a
special place, full of fire and smoke and burning
and torture and anguish, where he will send you to
live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and
cry forever and ever 'till the end of time."

(George Carlin).

Come on boys, now it's your turn to bat.
See if you can hit the ball.

'"There's an invisible man living in the sky
who watches everything you do, every minute of
every day. And the invisible man has a special
list of ten things he does not want you to do.
And if you do any of these ten things he has a
special place, full of fire and smoke and burning
and torture and anguish, where he will send you to
live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and
cry forever and ever 'till the end of time."

and what if Foxy, mankind (including you and me) were full of sin and seperated from a Holy God. What if in His mercy He sent His Son to pay the price for yours and mine vile sin. And what if He offered eternal life and yet all some can do is claim they have no need of forgiveness. People can shake there puny puny fists as long as they like but they will be without excuse.

Strange how obsessed so many are with mocking or denying the One they claim not to believe in. Strange how their hatred is directed against this 'invisible man in the sky'. You would think they would have better things to do in life.

National parks and forests NSW gutted their firefighters
What clearly needs say is this, little winter rain, over two years, saw so called controlled burns get out of hand time and time again
Clearly climate change is involved

runner,

Now that was out of bounds.

It was also "tongue-in-cheek."

I'll bowl the next one underhand -
following your example.

Dear Foxy,

I see by your sarcasm that you have come to the same conclusion as I have. Do you ask yourself Why am I wasting my million dollar brain arguing with people with a one dollar brain. It's because you like the challenge of trying to teach the ignorant and the uneducated.

Opinion you are a victim of dollar inflation.

Climate change in action,

"1851: 6 February, Black Thursday
Fires covered a quarter of what is now Victoria (about five million hectares). Areas affected included Portland, Plenty Ranges, Westernport, the Wimmera and Dandenong districts.
Around 12 lives, one million sheep and thousands of cattle were lost"

From a list of Victorian bushfires.

Humans are changing along with the Climate. Males become females & vice versa, the educated become more stupid, those with common sense are dying out, morons will inherit the Earth !
Fires will flare every dry season & the wet season ensures more fuel for the next fire season !
Authorities will continue to prevent preventative burning & keep throwing money at Academics bleating Climate change. Global Warming is a long forgotten catch-cry !

Dear individual,

Are you expressing a general view held by the one dollar brains?

Sadly individual, you are exactly on the mark with all those conclusions.
The evidence is starkly before us on a daily basis.

Sadly, as with the gay marriage psychosis, which ended as a fizzer, after nailing the front doors of Christian churches shut with lies; this yelling match called climate change will, I fear, inflict similar damage to society.

Parliamentary debate and its valuable time should be banned on this subject.
Three years were wasted under similar circumstances when gay rights took over the halls of power, serving no other purpose than to elevate the imagined importance of homosexuals undeservedly to lofty heights.
It's buoying to hear politicians actually standing against this latest destructive madness.

A simple strategy would be to shut down the mouth pieces of this toxic anti-social intrusion such as the guardian, the Sydney morning herald and the ABC.
defunding the latter, would seem to be an uncomplicated beginning.

Dan.

Note who is angry and yelling arsonist in Parliament, deflecting the blame from himself.

Fires rage in Australia while the Northern Hemisphere is bracing for monster snow falls. http://electroverse.net/northern-hemisphere-snow-season-off-to-a-monster-start/

Of course all this snow will melt in the northern summer and flood the Earth.

DD, why not set up a new government department in their place. It could be called 'The Bureau of Pure Thought'. The Bureaus function would be to cleans society of improper immoral thinking, arranging book burning's, prosecuting undesirables, the usual stuff. If Archy Pell gets of his paedophile rap, he could be prevailed upon to head up the new organisation.

Paul,

" If Archy Pell gets of [off] his paedophile rap,"

Do, please, get Grammarly.

Paul,

That's strange, I've always thought that you were closely associated with a "Bureau for Pure Thought" - The Bureaus function would be to cleans society of improper immoral thinking, arranging book burning's, prosecuting undesirables, the usual stuff.

i.e. in order to set a perfect society in place, a new Utopia, but one which avoided all of the many problems of similar previous Utopias, i.e. experiments with socialism, one absolutely needs a "Bureau for Pure Thought", a.k.a. the security police, an essential element in any socialist society, given the vast numbers of counter-revolutionaries. Every revolution must have its executioners.

Joe

Paul 1405.

Yep, great idea. The infrastructure for the "bureau of faith and justice and the betterment of society", is already in place in Australia; Islam.

Cleansing the media would naturally be a high priority, but close behind would be the "department of identification and corrections"
One of its fundamental roles would be to data- base known homosexuals, and contain the social contaminate of refugee status, given to Iranian homosexuals, by rounding them up into holding camps, in preparation for deportation back to Iran.
And a few more suggestions in cleaning-up Australia if your not bored.

Dan

It is true that the earth is warming and has been for the last 300 years.

To Paraphrase Bill Clinton; IT IS THE SUN STUPID !

It has been known for some time that the sun has a cycle that warms
and cools the earth. In recent times the maths that drives the cycle
has been determined.
It has been going on for thousands of years and has absolutely nothing
to do with carbon dioxide. That carbon dioxide was tied to the warming
was due to the omission of clouds from the original calculations.

The original hypothesis was made by the Norwegian scientist Mark Svenmark.
The Turku & Kobe Uni scientists have tied it all together with the
sun's natural cycle, sunspots, cosmic rays, clouds and the Milankovich
cycles of earths elliptical orbit of the sun and the precession of
the earth poles.

It is quite a thing to get your head around but it is cycles on cycles.
It is quite complex, and so to blame CO2 is an easy out.
However CO2 does not explain history.
Around 200BC there should have been a warm period and some glacier
findings are confirming that.
Around 300 400 ad the Roman warming time occurred, and grapes were
grown in the UK.
In 900 to 1100 the Vikings settled in Greenland.
It is known as the Medieval warm period. You may have heard of it.
300 approx years later they had to abandon Greenland as it was too cold.
In the 18th century it was cold in Europe and grapes were not grown in the UK.
There were ice festivals on the Thames each year with skating.
Since the 1700s to 1800s it has been getting warmer, peaking around
the 1990s.
So if history is any guide it will get cooler for the next 300 years.

Now this hypothesis upsets a lot of committed people and some anger
has been shown, but there it is and those who propose CO2 as the cause
have to explain the history.
These links will give you a start. There is a lot more.

http://tinyurl.com/y5huzsz5
http://tinyurl.com/y4w8nzzu

Bazz,

As for the Viking warming period in Greenland:

I have it on very good authority that archaeologists recently tried to excavate graves in an abandoned village in Greenland but couldn't break through the permafrost encasing them.

And a fleet of American fighters, intended for the UK against fascism in 1944, crash-landed in Greenland but couldn't take off again. A recent attempt to recover and restore them was hampered by tens of metres of ice which has since formed over them.

Cycles: very roughly every millenium - the Minoan period, 1500-1100 BC, across the Roman period, 200 BC - 400 AD, the early medieval period., 1000-1400 AD. Coincidentally, they tend to coincide with healthy economic and social growth, often a flowering of culture as well.

The great historian Fernand Braudel casually remarked (in his definitive 3 vol. history of Medieval Europe 1200-1700) that, when smoking became popular in Europe, English peasant farmers began growing tobacco. I wonder if you could grow tobacco in the UK these days. Over the next four weeks, I suppose most pommies will be in need of it.

So yes, of course, there is some global warming, maybe a degree in temperature rise, and sea-level rise of two inches, in the last century. Strange, the temperature here has risen by maybe ten degrees since 7 a.m. today. And tides have gone up and down by a metre twice in the last day ! What's going on ?!

Do many people WANT Apocalypse ? The end of days ? Are some 'leftists' secretly religious, yearning for Armageddon ? But a socialist one, of course ?

Don't mention Brian's Sandal.

Joe

Of course these fires are a new thing, caused bu CO2,
or perhaps they are not.

By a Staff Correspondent
TOWNSVILLE, Sunday July 28 1946. — Fires
are burning to-night in an almost
unbroken chain from the edge of
Brisbane to Townsville, 800 miles
distant.
The coastal fires provide air
travellers with a graphic picture
of parched Queensland.
Deeper inland, even greater
areas of dry brush and grass are
burning or waiting, like tinder, for
a careless match or spark.
From Rockhampton to Gor-
donvale, farmers are burning off.
Forestry officers in other
areas are burning fire breaks.
Long Smoke Trails
Columns of smoke loom from
hills above some coastal towns, In
the hills north and south of Mac-
kay to-night smoke from two
separate groups of fires stretched
in trails for many miles.
South of Maryborough there is
another group of fires. From some
of these the smoke was rising yes-
terday afternoon to a height of
3000ft.

I surely can't be the only one sick of lying bull dust from the Greens & their useful idiots.

Joe said; Coincidentally, they tend to coincide with healthy economic
and social growth, often a flowering of culture as well.

Well I guess that is to be expected just as now the earth is greening
crop yields ww are high etc, and co2 levels are increasing. Glasshouses?
It also explains why the temperature rises before the co2 rises.
It all seems to fit together quite well.
The cycle period is about 600 years, but I imagine that varies with
the sunspots cycle timing which is 11 years & the sun's cycle.
These cycles are all in between the major ice ages as 600 years is
just a short pause in that time scale.
The Warming activists have a hard time accepting that there might be
another explanation, but if I was betting on it I would bet on Svenmark.

Dear Bazz,

Pretty typical mate. You chose to hold in higher regard some bloke who printed a study in some obscure journal compared to thousands of highly trained climate scientists. That is the very definition of blinkered.

Now why on earth are you still struggling with CO2 being a greenhouse gas? It is the second most significant of all the gases, right after water vapour.

How do you manage to decide that increasing its concentration in the atmosphere by a third has no effect? The only way that could happen is by a miracle but I was pretty sure you weren't a God botherer. Whichever way you slice it it is still a leap of faith.

The 12 plus arsonists the police are looking for have been responsible for releasing more CO2 into the atmosphere in the last few weeks more than has been released in all the burnt coal in Australia than a year.

Trees are carbon banks and when they burn the carbon is released into the atmosphere. Fortunately we have not had fires here, and the temperatures here have not reached above 25C. The ocean temperatures
Average November sea temperatures here locally
Max: 21.6°C / 70.8°F Maximum
Avg: 20.1°C / 68.2°F Average
Min: 18.7°C / 65.6°F Minimum

Sea temperatures here today 18.3C. this is 0.5C below minimum for November. This will mean less CO2 and water vapour released from the ocean into the atmosphere.

There is a rumour going 'round that DiNastily of the Greens is going to advise people not to build houses among the gumtrees.

I wonder if there is any truth in it?

"Do, please, get Grammarly". you like to give orders don't you Issy, private second class, don't think they had a third class for you. Probably got that from ordering around the Gooks, while sitting in your fox hole, you did label the locals with the insulting term Gooks in Korea, did you not, all while you were supposedly delivering freedom and democracy, along with chocie bars. If I don't do what you say, do I risk being shot by a crazed Shooter and Hooter? Not that I would ever take your advice anyway. BTW, Have you read that book which proves Australian soldiers threw bombs at children, during the Korean War?

Paul,

Only trying to help, Grammarly is free.

You are still pushing your lie that Australian soldiers threw bombs at children in Korea.

Why not have the guts to admit that you made a mistake?

A brilliant piece of scientific discussion by Paul as usual, typical greenie abuse.

I know it's a waste of time talking to SR, but one last time, & it may help others understand.

CO2 has a limited range of radiation it is capable of absorbing, it is long wave length radiation, & not many wave lengths.

There is already enough CO2 in the atmosphere to absorb all the outgoing radiation CO2 is capable of absorbing 3 times over. Any increase of CO2 has no radiation to absorb.

Any reabsorbation of radiation by more CO2 will simply increase convection, & MAY speed cooling. There have been quite a few papers suggesting CO2 is a cooling agent, not a heating one.

And now, for this week in stupid.

Police Fear Criminals Could Be Vilified
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-13/binna-burra-fire-an-accident-teenagers-discarded-cigarettes/11699474

"Last week, police stated they would not reveal what sparked the blaze as they feared those responsible could be vilified in the small, tight-knit community. But after a backlash from locals, authorities have now released more details."

We should be asking the Chinese what they think about all of this. After all it's their country now and they're the ones who are going to have to make the big decisions about the direction Australia has to take in the future.

Our bushfire history shows politicians could learn a lesson from Indigenous Australia
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-14/analysis-bushfire-politics-hazard-reduction-climate-change/11700594

Indigenous fire methods protect land before and after the Tathra bushfire
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-18/indigenous-burning-before-and-after-tathra-bushfire/10258140

Dear Armchair Critic,

Do you think we should also ask the Chinese? It's their country now.

Come on Mr Opinion you can do better than that with your vast knowledge of climate science. Debate and contribute facts to the subject not the person!

Apparently, bushfire management in Australia reached its peak in 1975-1990. "since then, the huge expenditure on water bombers and the vast armies of firefighters with their wondrous equipment, the bushfire situation (especially in the eastern states) has regressed to the situation that prevailed in the 1950s."

In a "Third World scenario", almost nothing is done about repetitive and wholly predictable disasters … until after they strike.

This is "mystifying" in a bushfire-prone country like Australia. Our political leadership has been gutless, kowtowing to pressure groups and putting election winning before looking after the country; and there is the prevailing ignorance about bushfire science, and a failure to study centuries of history and human experience. Not to mention the "green ideology(that) has infiltrated our government agencies and poisoned government policies"; the people who use bushfires for politicking, lying about a connection between climate change and bushfires. And, of course, the media loves the opportunity for dramatic and breathless report of bushfires. Brigade chiefs, dressed like South American dictators, also get to perform for the cameras.

And, just who gets to play with the huge amounts of money - clearly ineffective - pumped into firefighting by easily-conned politicians?

(Source: Roger Underwood, 'Quadrant Online').

Incidentally, retired Monash University professor and bushfire researcher, David Packham, says that, if there is any global warming, the warming is so slow and so small that the bushfire events are totally overrun by the fuel state.

But, of course, his is the sort of science that the climateers do not think is 'in'.

ttbn,

<<Incidentally, retired Monash University professor and bushfire researcher, David Packham, says that, if there is any global warming, the warming is so slow and so small that the bushfire events are totally overrun by the fuel state. But, of course, his is the sort of science that the climateers do not think is 'in'.>>

Well stated ttbn. This is how one incident unfolded with Packham trying to get his message across

But here is what happened to top bushfire researcher David Packham when he tried to say this to the ABC's 7:30:

"Bushfire expert David Packham tried to tell 7.30 we had to burn our bush every 10 years to cut the leaf litter that turns our fires into infernos, a level of burning NSW doesn't come close to reaching. But after just 69 words, 7.30 handed back his microphone to chatterers whose living depends on the warming scare - two green activists and a scientist from Climate System Science.

"Packham has told me what actually happened:

"Briefly, at 7.30 request I came into Melbourne a three hour drive and spent 50 minutes with the 7.30 folk. I estimate about 35 minutes was in interview. I was asked to confirm that the fires in NSW were unprecedented in being so early in the season. I said no, they were not and offered information from Luke and Mc Arthur "Bushfires in Australia -1976" (Aust Govt Publishing Service) which was not accepted. When the question was put as to the role of global warming, again I said "not involved". That was not an acceptable answer and it was clear that it did not fit with the predetermined agenda. My sadness at the termination of my life-long love of the ABC because of this very unethical journalism - at least of the news division - is not only sadness but also a touch of fear for our democracy (Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun, 2013), http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/abc-interviews--a-sceptic-for-35-minutes-on-the-fires-and-rejects-all-but-69-words/news-story/4fa5981e575c6f2ad48806aa61d3340d

(continued)

(continuation)

There is another primary issue that doesn't like to be raised on forums like this one. If we had long green grass and very green trees, there would be less possibility of the tragic bush fires we see.

What will it take to turn the tinder dry grass into green? Jesus said, 'I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong' (Matthew 5:44-45).

Secular Aussies, journalists and others, including Prime Ministers, admit, 'We can't make it rain'. What will it take for us to move from naturalistic explanations (climate change) to supernatural understanding of God's sending the rain. It won't rain until He decides it is time.

When will we wake up to this fact? Or, or we too far gone down the tube of secularism to know where the real meal on the table comes from?

Hey Spencer,
I want to congratulate you on your first comment.
It's probably the most well grounded, reasonable and logical thing I've ever seen you write; and I also get an added bonus that it's in line with my earlier links regarding indigenous fire management.
- But you ruined your great first comment with the second.

And not to put crap on religion, but you went from logical to airy-fairy and lost that newly-found 'well-grounded' status that you'd somehow managed to find in your first comment.

The topic of your comment crosses over into the 'fake news' discussion as well.

To the 7:30 team I say "Don't let the truth get in the way of telling a good story".

- Which should really be the corporate media's motto. -

FYI their narrative is in line with UN SDG's, as also mentioned on the other thread.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8995&page=0#294609

What's more important these days, ratings and global agendas or the truth?
(That's a rhetorical btw)

According to former NSW Fire and Rescue chief Greg Mullins, as early as April and again in May, 23 former fire and emergency leaders tried to warn the Morrison government by letter, and also requested a face to face meeting to alert them to the fact Australia was about to face a bushfire emergency, and that more water-bombers to tackle bigger, faster and hotter bushfires were needed. Morrison and co failed to listen to these practical experts on bushfire control, and did nothing.

Mullins said; "It is very, very disappointing that we weren't listened to earlier because we actually predicted exactly what's happening now. Measures could have been taken months ago to make the firefighters more effective and to make the community safer." He went on to say; He thought the coming summer was going to be, "the worst I have ever seen" for fire crews, and renewed his calls for the government to take urgent action to address climate change and stop Australia's rising emissions.

Actually fire management is a State responsibility, to which the Federal Government makes financial contributions.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/Publications_Archive/CIB/cib0203/03Cib08

Research has found that doubling the fuel in the forest will double the rate of spread and quadruple the fire intensity. While low intensity fires will tend to burn dead fuels below six millimetres in diameter, medium to high intensity fires will burn young trees, thick twigs and branches, bark and deep litter. Fuel reduction burning can reduce the hazard of spotting from eucalypt bark, in some cases for up to seven to ten years.

http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/news-and-media/ministerial-media-releases/nsw-first-responders-benefit-from-budget
The emergency services budget for 2018-19 will, for the first time, top $1.6 billion with more than $134 million spent on equipment and infrastructure.

New rule could see thousands of firefighters BANNED from battling deadly bushfires; as QLD volunteers are required to lodge a Blue Card application before Dec. 1 The Blue card rule requiring volunteer firefighters to receive a work-with-children check. The new rule could see 15,000 volunteer firefighters banned from fighting fires. It has raised concerns there will not be enough volunteers to fight deadly blazes.

We can let children burn in QLD because not enough fire fighters have a current Blue Card. Ridiculous as most children have been removed from fire danger.

Josephus, are you saying thousands of people wanting to hold membership of the rural fire brigade in Queensland can't pass a simple blue card test. I didn't know that many priests and brothers wanted to join.

I'll ask again; how does climate change affect the volatility of the oil in gumtrees.

One would think that a first practicable step would be to remove gums from the vicinity os buildings.

"os" Issy, you really need to get "Grammarly" it free you know.

Do, please, get Grammarly.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 9:23:20 AM

" Feel free with any grammar help I can give you! Just "ask away dill".

Israel the football star has linked the bushfires to same-sex marriage.

Should I warn the relatives in the west of Ireland of the dangers of forest fires before this afternoon's regular rain?

http://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/fiery-reaction-after-israel-folau-links-australian-bushfires-to-same-sex-marriage/news-story/35d07139e6ba4b69fae67a3388071a97

Is Mise,

<<Israel the football star has linked the bushfires to same-sex marriage.>>

I wouldn't link the specifics of same-sex marriage and abortion (as Folau did) to the bushfire disasters Australia is currently experiencing.

However, this we do know:

1. 'Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people' (Proverbs 14:34). Consequences follow a nation's righteous or ungodly actions. Is the murdering of 80,000 unborn children every year a 'disgrace to the people of Australia'?

2. The nation of Israel was warned through the prophet Amos (4:6-9, 12):

6 “I [the Sovereign Lord] brought hunger to every city
and famine to every town.
But still you would not return to me,”
says the LORD.

7 “I kept the rain from falling
when your crops needed it the most.
I sent rain on one town
but withheld it from another.
Rain fell on one field,
while another field withered away.
8 People staggered from town to town looking for water,
but there was never enough.
But still you would not return to me,”
says the Lord.

9 “I struck your farms and vineyards with blight and mildew.
Locusts devoured all your fig and olive trees.
But still you would not return to me,”
says the Lord….

12 “Therefore, I will bring upon you all the disasters I have announced.
Prepare to meet your God in judgment, you people of Israel!”

There is a link between the sins of the nation and the calamities experienced. Only the Sovereign Lord knows the consequences that will come because of our sinful deeds against God.

Now lets see if I was God and I am glad I am not God I would be more displeased with the massive murder of innocent kids hidden by skin than I would be humans using a bit of natural resource to keep warm or cool. Then again those who worship 'mother' earth see it as a bigger sin to fly around the country (at least anyone but themselves).

So no its not good theology to link one event with another but if you had to choose one, like Noah's flood the choice would be easy. And lets not forget our modern parenting techniques where kids are lighting fires regularly and then probably told not to worry because its gw causing the fires.

OzSpen,

Suggest a name change to UranusSpen 'cause you ain't on the same planet as the rest of us ( well, most of us).

Is Mise,

<<Suggest a name change to UranusSpen 'cause you ain't on the same planet as the rest of us ( well, most of us).>>

There you go with an example of putting me down by attempting to redirect the conversation to another issue with which you are more comfortable in responding - not on the same planet.

You have avoided the issue I raised. This deliberate turning aside from what I said meant you abandoned the argument I raised. That's called a Red Herring Fallacy. When will you quit using fallacious reasoning? http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/150/Red_Herring

I know what you're doing. I didn't come down in the last shower of logic, reason or theology.

You could have developed some meaningful conversation from my post with questions or comments like these:

1. How do you get on discussing the link between God, sin and consequences with people who don't believe in God?

2. The example you gave from Amos was for Israel. How can you honestly apply it to Australia?

3. How do you KNOW there is a link between the sins of a nation and the calamities which strike it?

4. Why is same-sex marriage such a hot topic with the media and on OLO?

5. As for abortion and the killing of unborn children, why oh why do Australians put up with this slaughter?

6. What does science say about when a new human life begins?

Do you know what knowledge based on what 'most of us think' is called? See: Hasty Generalization, http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/100/Hasty_Generalization

Are those types of questions out of your league Is Mise?

Here's a report!

'Distressing' claims have emerged that the coppers have been booking car drivers fleeing the NSW fires over unsecured loads. Members of the public have alleged in NSW North Coast Facebook groups that evacuees were being pulled over by the coppers when 'these people are fleeing with the only things they have left'. Reports have emerged that people have been stopped by the NSW coppers for 'unstable loads', and then being drug and alcohol tested as well.

Good one coppers!

Paul,

"os" Issy, you really need to get "Grammarly" it free you know"

Just goes to shew that the best of us can make mistakes!!

I've come up with a solution:
Fireproof houses.

Armchair Critic,

<<I've come up with a solution: Fireproof houses.>>

That's a suggestion and not a solution.

Note the Date November 1944 Same time same date!

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftrove.nla.gov.au%2Fnewspaper%2Farticle%2F229265833%2F24681109%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2iKrAI2KlsW3Eqc67_Ju5hZ5ndNQ5gfPyEB1E3M1dFO107P3YxYpxVGqQ&h=AT0XebCJn80cYQPOatLyYX_nVrgA9cdvi9D1G8BW-Go6v-xgTRTMWpkWi1Q3GAzHQPaZIjdVrEi3Rdd_JVnqEcUOy23KU9TVhY_hEGPPgjL7rcbvFlAPxl1gYd9CzTRhfHXezYmK7MEMcF4UE4g6Vjth4HGxYdSx88FMC2I5Ohy2axgRlzAv5aVZjwrvys3gMkq79jDaB8QdN5NaV_2qddpGOZJaUCNUiJiekw6f4kwx2NtYQD_BqMBRFyQnqlNW1LDoJlHkGeASOPhxnYAJUrZ6Wn5ldmYd4sv7kG8uKdEtJWyp9OslpVkv-4A758aaoo7fqdY6ae09h_yyr-sLkpLiXEcRTRt3C9BNg0hT9IlEKcmwO_9zCswrGfE9jTYuqlHW53MgCXUAQi3Y5KqjdSpw_-6Fn8DlT6P9M_POkTr5UhCN391wtZk2hqB-JCICUU8wmwdpXb83ZbvbyHHjWDTuKucYFmXi5_hoOIV92Umzuvjjv3_HH5F0E6SGtV4rfO9gR0iGNuMIp-5APeKP-nvusc7XMHyMtvKzJvYylKZZCZlqGH1E6Q4Goi4t4J9TQy6FFRiq9H6qkF2AmA4DIBcxq9Pdo0u1x5Q6d0ry4H08cvJhOm9jqP-cG1bHCtZ7XA4HJIkp2cl4nLdHcgCxt6PYSH6EqQOj3GMEs__1ZY6N8c0Ll6U

OzSpen,

"Are those types of questions out of your league Is Mise?"

Most of them, thankfully.

Individual,

Fireproof houses is a splendid solution.
http://www.baldwinobryan.com/bush-fire-resistant-houses.html

The house that we live in is about 160 years old and is tinder dry and would go off like a bomb if fire got to it.
It is built of box slabs, fortunately the designer/builder built it without gutters and the eaves are sealed.

Rain water falls straight down into stone drains (cemented around the 1920s) and flows into underground tanks (cisterns); the water is unfit for drinking but is kept for fire control.

In the NSW news yesterday, reported all day today,* 19 year old member of local fire brigade has been charged with starting, then fighting, about nine fires*
Further older man refused bail, after admitting to stating about seven, and telling police he likes starting fires!*
Drove that five plus hour drive yesterday back today
Passed one of our states biggest not yet controlled fires
Police are looking for KNOWN person who along with a farmer mate burnt of to protect his farm
Unfortunately one of them posted photos on social media
Never seen it this dry Evens Head to Newcastle

Indy, I also see benefit in community involvement.

Issy, are you still in Telepathic communication with Charlton Heston?

Belly, I put that up yesterday Hasbeen refused to believe it, went on about that bloke with the dope crop, old news from Hassy.

Hi Belly,

Are you suggesting that, in addition to the fires that got started by faulty power lines and lightning strikes, that some were deliberately lit ? I wonder what proportion that leaves to 'climate change' ?

Many years ago, R. L. Heathcote wrote extensively about droughts in Australia, for example:

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1978&context=greatplainsquarterly

It seems that bush-fires are a combination of a year or more of good rains taken up by the vegetation, followed by drought or at least a lengthy dry period drying it out. Perhaps any such situation, especially in national parks, is aggravated by the neglect of cool burns, burning off in the cooler seasons. So a big thank you to the bureaucrats responsible.

Joe

Dear Loudmouth2,

You ask; "are you suggesting that, in addition to the fires that got started by faulty power lines and lightning strikes, that some were deliberately lit ? I wonder what proportion that leaves to 'climate change' ?"

You should be smart enough to answer this yourself.

Arsonists, especially of the younger variety, are generally opportunistic. The more days of high fire danger we are experiencing the more likely the number of deliberately lit fires will increase.

Hi Steele,

So CO2 is causing more arsonists ?

Joe

Dear Loudmouth2,

Why are you asking? No one has contended that so why raise it?

Doubling the opportunity for arson activity from a doubling of the number of fire ready days will inevitably lead to more human lit firs for services to cope with.

Why is this notion presenting difficulties for you?

LOUDMOUTH ONE OR TWO, Fact is in two prio threads on this subject, and the current climate emergency one, my view is clear
Fire bugs exist, often it is a mental health issue
Some, more than most care to know, are serving firefighters
Being called heros but starting fires is often seen
Fire bugs murder, not forgetting millions times ten the dead insects
And thousands of dead animals
No joy in saying it again but in every brigade I served in [5] we had at least one firebug
My last? a man on his way to a paid position[ area manager] said these words to me, I am bored lets start a fire] we had been on patrol of a forest me hoping we found no fire
I broke my service over those words but after he moved both up and out of my area returned to rebuild that brigade
Some, once , not as much now, joined brigades because they liked firers true
We must one day [hope it is with this years offenders, see prison terms of at least five years first offence for them

The peanut gallery had not stopped applauding their home town champ, Joe's seemly knock out blow of ridicule to Steele, "So CO2 is causing more arsonists" ha ha got ya there Steele. When Steele counter punches with a good old 1,2,3; "Doubling the opportunity for arson activity from a doubling of the number of fire ready days will inevitably lead to more human lit firs for services to cope with".

Its the coup de gras, Joe been decked, he's out for the count!

Joe [one or two or has loudmouth two got a different name]
This by the way is Belly number two, smarter than the FBI one [big idiot are second and third letters meaning
Now let's climb out of that very low smelly place
Co2, time is on my side each day [France threatens American free] trade with EU over its actions on climate change
See? we are getting to that place that understand we can not pick the science we want and dump the rest
Thanks in any case but firebugs are using this drought [record breaking?] to set ever bigger fires