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Which one of you $1 brains said that Tony Abbott is not one of those responsible for climate change because he is helping to fight the bushfires as a volunteer?

I thought he lost his seat because he was seen as being anti climate change.

Well Australia's internationally renowned village idiot should have his hands full today because he can chose to fight fires in SA, NSW and Qld.

Tony Abbott's not one of those responsible for climate change. What a joke!
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 21 November 2019 6:20:07 AM
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Hi JOSEPHUS,
that "Cold Climate" website doesn't even have an 'about us' section and hardly represents the glorified heights of NASA. I mean, the leading NASA papers show that last century...

THE SUN COOLED WHILE THE EARTH STILL WARMED!
http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/189/graphic-temperature-vs-solar-activity/
Explain THAT data in your "The sun did it!" conspiracy theory!
This is the official NASA website.
Hint: It has NASA in the URL! ;-)

Hi MR OPINION:
I hear you. CO2 is the trigger for the more powerful water vapour feedback. More CO2 = more water vapour feedback. That's what the standard IPCC climate change model says! Flipside = less CO2, less water vapour feedback, less global warming. We're on the same page.

Hi BELLY,
I hear you, especially on Josephus's dodgy internet links! ;-) How utterly un-adult! Tinfoil hat much?

Meanwhile, to all deniers: today's weather is served with a good dose of climate change, dry with a side serve of ash and smoke. Enjoy.
Posted by Max Green, Thursday, 21 November 2019 6:59:27 AM
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I am an environmental sociologist conducting independent research on water."

I thought that you were on something stronger.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 21 November 2019 8:04:35 AM
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Belly, False statement. We believe the climate is changing as it has done for millions of years, but do not believe man alone is responsible for the changes which you continue to put forward. That man is the criminal of Climate change, from the results of human social development.

When you can prove what we are seeing has never happened before and it is totally man made then you win! I hope I live long enough to see 2030 when the world will be destroyed by your and Greta's calculations. Humans must adapt to change not give in to it.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 21 November 2019 8:14:22 AM
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Josephus,
OF COURSE THE CLIMATE HAS CHANGED BEFORE AND THE CLIMATOLOGISTS ARE ALL OVER THIS!

Previous climate catastrophe's demonstrate the risks.
Paleoclimate studies demonstrate apocalyptic Extinction Level Events.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event#Global_warming
It took tens of millions of years for new species to evolve and recover after some of these super-greenhouse extinctions!

While not as hot as previous super-greenhouse events (yet), it's going to be harder for life to adapt this time because it's 10 times faster than the ice-age cycle so ecosystems don't have as much *time* to move. Ecosystems are also hemmed in and trapped by our vast grazing and farmlands, so it's not as *free* to move. We've put nature in solitary confinement, and turned up the heat.
The tiny isolated pockets of nature and wildlife that are left could just get snuffed out by climate change.

The IPCC has measured ALL the natural forcings that explain previous natural warming and cooling cycles. Understanding the climate's deep history is one of the keys in understanding how today's climate might behave. Rather than some mystery that climatologists have somehow accidentally overlooked, paleoclimate is one of the foundations to understanding today's climate.
http://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_Chapter05_FINAL.pdf

Our modern civilisation is utterly dependent on today's stable climate for our agricultural and grazing lands, which together cover almost HALF the planet. By mid century we could be losing a quarter of our crops on a regular basis. I have collected links on my blog here. http://eclipsenow.wordpress.com/global-warming-is-serious/

In summary, previous super-greenhouses were catastrophic then and will be catastrophic again unless we stop burning fossil fuels. http://skepticalscience.com/humans_survived_previous_changes.html
Only the most ignorant and obtuse climate denier would assert "The climate has changed before" as some sort of *objection*. The only appropriate reply? "Derr!"
Posted by Max Green, Thursday, 21 November 2019 10:58:08 AM
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Josephus mate we will not agree on much if anything
In my work life I would put such a person as you, to whoever I was addressing, as evidence of completely wrong view/opinion on the subject
You are a victim of a very real conspiracy
Behind that conspiracy the thousands of service station owners coal owners, fossil fuel owning LUDITTS have conned you
We are in motion on this subject, it is moving under its own momentum as evidence mounts it is very real, man has impacted on the climate and continues to
But not forever action has been started and that too is moving under its own steam, and this truth, it is financially sound to switch to renewables
See even the lie it costs more is being undone by truth
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 21 November 2019 11:08:53 AM
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