Despite the fact that there were no mechanical means of transport, no heavy industry, no electricity, fewer people and fewer farting cows in these periods, the years 700, 800, 900, 1000, 1100, 1200, and 1400AD, were all HOTTER than the years 2017, 2018 and 2019.

Hey ttbn,

"Apart from scrapping the Paris Agreement, we should also cut ties with the corrupt UN, which does nothing for Australia, and criticises us non-stop"

On the one hand I'd be happier if we weren't constrained by all these 'international obligations';
you know I see it as international democracy imposed upon nation states.

On the other hand I know some proponents of Israel also aspire to remove the UN and govern all nations from Jerusalem, which I don't support nor wish to play into the hands of this ideology.

Hey Aiden,
I'm questioning myself on whether or not I chose the right words.

"The current approach is to cut back on emissions, or back off;
which has the inevitable result of destroying the economy"

Maybe 'destroy the economy' was going a step too far;
or maybe in some ways it was valid;

My point is that if you increase the cost of EVERYTHING
- by way of increased fuel and energy costs to a nation
Then the nation in no way is in a better financial position to afford moving to better technology.
Exports are less profitable or even non-viable;
And the middle class has less money to purchase green alternatives.
That's how I see it with my limited knowledge, but maybe there's other issues I'm not seeing or considering.

"It threatens some parts of the economy, but boosts others. And even the threatened parts of the economy can often survive and even thrive by innovating."

You're far more knowledgeable on financial issues than I am.

"We can ALREADY afford moving to the better greener technology!
Indeed not only can we afford to do so, but we can benefit from doing so."

Can we do it without shooting ourselves in the foot and increasing the cost of everything?

"But many people are so enthralled by the coal industry that they can't see that."

I'll gladly kick coal in the butt when something better comes along but not a moment before;
In the meantime I do think there's probably a lot more practical things we could do to address the problems.

I don't like the idea of carbon taxes for the sake of it without a practical plan.
Develop a practical plan with practical ideas and I most likely will go along with it, so long as said ideas hold merit.
I'm not opposed to change if it genuinely is for the better.

AC,

You having a go at me about Israel:). I haven't heard that one. I'd say Israel was a bit too busy for that

ttbn,
> the years 700, 800, 900, 1000, 1100, 1200, and 1400AD, were all HOTTER than the years 2017, 2018 and 2019.
What gives you that impression?

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Armchair,
>My point is that if you increase the cost of EVERYTHING...
Then it's already a case of garbage in garbage out, because you're starting with a false assumption.

>- by way of increased fuel and energy costs to a nation
Firstly, that doesn't always result in higher overall costs, because t often spurs investment in increasing efficiency, lowering costs.
Secondly, solar and wind power are already cheaper than fossil fuels.

Hey ttbn,
"You having a go at me about Israel:). I haven't heard that one. I'd say Israel was a bit too busy for that"

Sorry if it came across the wrong way.
I did hesitate to state "...some proponents of Israel also aspire to remove the UN and govern all nations from Jerusalem";
- But then I just did it anyway when I probably shouldn't have.

I truly wasn't having a go at you about Israel though;
I feel like you think I am sometimes when I'm honestly not.
Sorry if I said things in the past which made you think I might be.
I think you're a valuable forum contributor like all the other regulars here;
I agree with most of your sentiments and I appreciate that you often start threads.

I was simply stating the pros and cons that came to my mind.
And yes it is some kind of Jewish Messianic belief.
http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/118979/sanhedrin-nikki-haley-president/
I'm actually trying to make an effort to try and curb those kinds of comments, but it's difficult sometimes when these things seem to almost automatically come to my mind.