I see Paul1405 is not giving up vying for that award !

Issy, when you were part of the Korean invasion force, did you not say you took a bullet to the head, from some poor Korean trying to defend his homeland. Was it a machine gun bullet? We are seeing the after effects of that shot now!

Would you like to see your motto "Machine Guns Save Lives" above the entrance to schools and also at the cemeteries where the victims of mass shootings are buried.

Indy has come out of his tree again, probably to collect his government handout from some hard working public servant.

Meanwhile in the real world....

"Gun sales surge fueled by first-timers, mostly for ‘concealed’ pistols"

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/gun-sales-surge-fueled-by-first-timers-mostly-for-concealed-pistols

ise mise yet again mate, you seem to endlessly plow the field without the plow in toe
Simple most Australians are happy with our current gun laws
Most are confronted, confused and a bit disgusted with American mass murder
Now ask me force sources proof
But if you do not already know that what is the use?

Belly.

You said,
"However mass murder is not something we want here thankfully the big boys on both sides of politics know that"

and I asked you if that, in your opinion, was why we haven't had mass murders since the advent of the "John Howard Gun Laws"?

Could you not just simply answer the question?

Dear mhaze,

You write;

“That is, if you're unlucky enough to be involved in a mass shooting, you'd better hope that the citizens around you are armed because that's your best hope of survival.”

What you were implying was that it would be good to have eased gun laws so that ordinary members of the public can pull out their pistol and take out a killer armed with a AR-15 which is completely ludicrous and not bourne out by any facts at all.

You have now walked that back to include serving police officers in your definition.

Americans are unlucky enough to be involved in mass shootings at a higher rate than any other developed nation precisely because lax gun laws make it very easy for those with mass murder on their mind to arm themselves and carry out their atrocity.

You also claim;

“Oh BTW, did I mention that historically, as the number of guns increases, the number of homicides decreases. A little fact that many will try very hard to ignore.”

Absolute and utter hogwash.

Here is my opening source;

“We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s.  We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides.  These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.”
Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew.  Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries.  Journal of Trauma.  2000; 49:985-88

What's yours?