ALTRAV,

Wow - over four hundred and seventy posts arguing
against? That's got to be a record!

Which only goes to show how interested people are
in the topic to care enough to continue to argue
against as you claim! If they didn't care - the
discussion would have died a quiet death.
Yet here we still are.

Keep up the good work old chap.

ALTRAV,

BTW - Australian voters are positive about recognising
Indigenous Australians in the Constitution and
recognising a voice to Parliament according to polling
by Essential.

A majority also supports a treaty with Indigenous
Australians according to research undertaken late last
month to coincide with NAIDOC week.

So much for your ranting and raving.

"the discussion would have died a quiet death."

Foxy, not like, well, lets say that un-named discussion, where the instigator is furiously BAILING trying to keep it alive. The poor fellow just has no talent. Please help him out.

Foxy,

You're going to be disappointed when the Referendum is held, there is no way Australians are going to vote for themselves to be second class citizens in their own country.

Is MIse,

No I'm not going to be disappointed at all.
The polls disagree with you.

Also I really
don't see many Australians objecting to giving
a voice to our Indigenous people to have a say
on policies and matters that affect only them.

The US, Canada, New Zealand, and other countries
to have done so with their
Indigenous people are not "second class citizens,"
as you put it. And giving Indigenous people a say
in their affairs - most Australians according to recent
polls support this move.

Some people had doubts about same sex marriage - yet that legislation passed.

I don't want to start re-hashing this subject again with you
so I would appreciate it if we could let it drop.
It's has gone on for long enough. And been discussed
adequately.

In any case - no matter what any of us argue. It shall be
up to the people of this country to decide.

Issy,
and I'm the one who keeps the discussion alive?
Just look at the last page, foxy has 3 out of 5 entries, defending her stance and still trying to justify the relevance of her topic.
They are so set in their ways that they refuse to accept that they are wrong.
Australians WILL NOT accept the idea that they must cede to an unjust and unrealistic set of demands by an unworthy and irrelevant group of people at the expense of the greater and more realistic majority.
I don't care what some stupid poll or survey said, we only have to look at the recent elections to see why not to trust them.
As for the SSM thing, it has been proven that the 40% of the 70% who were eligible indicated YES.
As I have been told by others, the result was more like 30% Yes the other 30% who did not come out to comment just either did not care or were basically NO because they were so incensed at the whole SSM thing.
So it was 30% Yes and 70% NO!
So it wasn't some people who had doubts, it was MOST people.
And it's only because the ministers are such a gutless mob of bastards that we ended up with this crappy decision.
So even though I am commenting on this stupid topic, it is only to counter any opinions that it is anything but a rubbish topic, and when an honest person looks back on them, they will see it is so, because MOST of the comments have been in opposition.
Like this one.
OH, and BTW, Issy you did not infer that the blacks are second class citizens, foxy did.
Showing her true colours, your reference was to Australians becoming second class citizens to the blacks.