The irony here Joe is you jumped up and down criticising Pascoe for publishing accounts from explorers and others in relation to Aboriginal people, which you believe contain untruths. You even went to the point of directing others to a knockers website "Dark Emu Exposed", all well and good.

However the same criticism can be levelled at you, of publishing questionable truths, so it seems on your very own website, from men you describe as good and honest chaps, who would have no motivation to lie, all without any kind of disclaimer. Do we need a counter website FIRSTSOURCES.INFO EXPOSED?

Advice you gave to others; "Perhaps one day, you'll learn, you'll investigate, you'll believe only with evidence and not blindly, without question."

Foxy &Paul,

I simply typed up what was there. I didn't make any direct comments one way or the other on each document that I typed up. The nine thousand letters took eighteen months, not much time there to reflect on anything, so afterwards I put together a summary article of what seemed to be a valid conclusion from them - it's available on . www.firstsources.info , on the Protector's Letters page, called 'Re-Thinking Aboriginal History'.

You can argue with my summary conclusions of the Letters' content if you like. Basically, that's the article that Bob Foster commented on, that what I concluded from the Protector's correspondence was more or less correct, but it depended what spin you put on it. You can take that any way you like.

Sorry, Foxy, I don't know what I'm supposed to be wriggling out of: you make an unsubstantiated claim (perhaps you have better information) and I simply pointed out what was in the Protector's Letters, in his 'Report', i.e. his letters in Volume One, letters 14 - 17, on the Protector's Page of my web-site. The Index to that Volume is also very useful.

Ah, I see, if I disagree with you in some way, regardless of whatever I say, I'm a denier of something, trying to wriggle out of your brilliant 'other information' ? A bit psychotic ? Kiss it, baby.

Paul,

As to believing early observers' accounts, right back at you. I don't assert that what Moorhouse wrote was accurate, simply that he wrote it. If you want to believe Mitchell, with his record of violent 'interaction' with Aboriginal people, particularly in western Victoria, go for it.

www.firstsources.info EXPOSED ? Hey, not a bad idea. Clean as a whistle, Paul :)

But you're welcome, like anyone else, to read every document for any signs of fabrication, lies, etc. It might take you a few years :) It took me about ten years of spare time, all-up, to transcribe it all. Go for it !

Joe

Dear Paul,

We've argued and discussed this topic. Lets leave it there.
Joe claims all he's doing is presenting what he typed
up. He has to understand that we are presenting what
we have found. We don't need to as he tells me to - "kiss it
baby," our findings speak for themselves.

All we can simply do is stand by our findings. He's
entitled to do the same. Personal attacks and insults
we can all do without.

See you on another discussion. Hopefully we've learned
something from this one - even if it may be - what not to do
in the future.

As an antidote to the rubbish that I have been trying to ram down people's throats, readers are welcome to read this review of a book by Robert Foster et als. on early settlement and dispossession in SA, WA, the US and Canada:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/55516746/book.pdf?response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DWinifred_Hilliard_and_the_cultural_broke.pdf&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A%2F20190801%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20190801T005437Z&X-Amz-Expires=3600&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=77e5cbde2fd985617a03637997f4f6a05e68eed238adbf8972e8988163b3f0a1#page=215

It's one of the most recent instructive articles on Indigenous matters that I can find on Google Scholar. I have reservations about some of its conclusions, but please make up your own mind.

Joe

Joe,

For balance you should if you haven't read them already -
try reading the following:

A history of South Australia by Paul Sendziuk and
Robert Foster

http://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/36702292-a-history-of-south-australia

And -

Out of silenc: The history and memory of South Australia's
Frontier Wars by Robert Foster and Amanda Nettlebeck

http://www.wakefieldpress.com.au/product.php?productid=1455

Loudmouth,
Do you have that link again, it worked for me once then it goes nowhere thereafter and I'm wondering if you have the same experience. I found it very interesting.