Hi Foxy, off to see 'Lion King', ALTRAV hasn't a clue what the movie is about, but from the title he might assume its a movie about himself.
p/s The family Facebook reviews "T" has read generally are giving it the thumbs down. Tell me if they are wrong. I seen the stage production and the animated move and I thought they were well done, particularly the stage show.

I must say having read 'Dark Emu' that the material presented is thought provoking as to what Aboriginal society really was like before European colonisation. Pascoe has gone to great lengths to give first hand accounts, with references to explorer diaries etc, as well as the painstaking work of others in determining what Aboriginal people were capable of, sometimes before other peoples of the world achieved much of the same. Our First Nation people lived a far more complex life than simple stone age hunter gatherers.

Hi Joe,

There was a vast amount of hunting and gathering undertaken by Aboriginal people, no one can deny that fact, and I don't see anyone trying to minimise it to "barely happened" level. What is being put forward is that hunting and gathering was not the exclusive enterprise undertaken by Aboriginal people for food production, but there were also more complex endeavours to meet those needs. The topic was debated at length on the thread I started, and now on this one. No you are not required to read Bruce Pascoe's book, but to have a serious debate about what it contains is difficult if you are not familiour with the text itself.

Hi mhaze,

The early photograph by Henry King of the 'Brewarrina fish traps' are not 'The Great Wall of China', not even the 'Pyramids of Egypt', but they are certainly more than a "couple of rocks" as you put it about Budj Bim. I wonder what motivates you to denigrate Aboriginal people in the way you do. Is it your political leaning that does it for you? They seem to be a race you have little liking for, correct me if I'm wrong.

Pal,

So ...... in this particular card game, we're not allowed to see our cards, or any of the cards which you and Foxy and ST hold in your hands ? We must believe ? Without question ? Hmmmmm ..... where have I heard that before ? If you're ever in Adelaide, you're welcome to come around and kiss my arse.

If you assert, you must demonstrate: nobody else has to lift a finger, or buy any books. As the Romans used to say, 'Asseritur gratis, negatur gratis'. Look it up. No, I'll save you the trouble: it means ' what is asserted free of evidence, can be negated or ignored without loss'.

Oh well, back to Douglas Lockwood's 'Lizard Eaters'. Then I'll comb through the Berndts' 'First Australians' for references to farming.

Joe

"you're welcome to come around and kiss my arse" no Joe, but I suspect you think Aboriginal people should, after all you see yourself as their superior.
I'm hope your "first sources" is not nothing more than a collection of selected superficial material to reinforce your opinion of a perceived lesser people.

Hi Paul,

I don't know how you come to those conclusions.

As for my web-site: www.firstsources.info , I typed up every document I could find in the SA State Archives, which fortuitously included many documents from inter-state: royal commission transcripts, reports, etc. Fascinating stuff. I've arranged the material according to State (and Territory), and major missions here in South Australia, an insignificant State. Plus a Page on Indigenous people's Higher Education Statistics. And a Land Matters Page.

Yeah, only about fifteen thousand pages, all up. Perhaps you could try doing something similar in your home State ? It might take you a few years, ten years in my case, but I'm a slow typer. If you (or Foxy or SR) really cared, you'd find out straight away where your State's Archives are kept and whip around there ASAP. But somehow I doubt it .......

My offer still stands :)

Joe

Joe,

The answers to your questions are freely available in
all the State Libraries. You simply have to be
willing to look in more than just the protector's
records. You need to broaden your outlook. Instead of
telling us where to look. We've been there, done that.
We've pointed you in the right direction but all you
seem interested in is diversion.

Obviously what has been said is not what you want to hear.

Perhaps Associate Prof. Robert Foster who specialises in
Aboriginal History at the University of Adelaide could
help you out - because you appear to reject my attempts
and those of others here - telling people they can
kiss your butt. We could tell you to blow it out of
your rear end - but that would not be polite.

Anyway, here's two more links to add to your collection:

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/the-first-farmers-20110930-111gv.html

And -

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/archived/bushtelegraph/rethinking-indigenous-australias-agricultural-past/5452454

BTW: They grew crops of tubers such as yams,
grain such as native millet, macademia nuts,
fruits, berries to name just a few.
Read the links given.