Steele - thank you for the reference book.

I cannot recall making an individual post before.
Thanks for refereshing my memory with such grace.
I might have to swallow some steel and toughen up.
Regards
Narelle

SR, I didn't know you were on a first name basis with the authors of the book you "referred" to.
I am impressed.
Did they give you first hand knowledge of these 'facts', written or otherwise?
Or maybe you were there and saw for yourself, what they refer to in making these 'revelations'?
No, I didn't think so, so tell me then, how do you know the veracity and provenance of these findings?
Oh, of course they have been verified and confirmed by other 'experts'.
Mind you I'm not saying it's a load of bull, just saying it's more than likely not what it has been described as, as it seems to fly in the face of what has been described and promoted by the blacks themselves for as long as we have been here.
Did no-one speculate that this finding might be from other sources, and nothing to do with the blacks?
Oh well, it helps push the blacks mantra and agenda so what the heck let's forget about the truth and objectivity and just go with assumptions and subjectivity.

Welcome Narelle47.

Careful there SR, with that last post, your hope of being mistaken for a reasonable type of person is slipping even further from your grasp.

So hard to comment in here - I cannot see previous comments - so have done c/p.
Thank you 'Individual' and 'Belly' for your welcoming and informative thoughts on my contribution of turning the area the area into a tourist spot and sell eels as they have done in Rotorua.

'Yeah, makes sense. I gather sense hasn't been outlawed in NZ yet ?'
Posted by individual,

'May not be enough water out there right now, and welcome to our new poster
Not sure looking at the film from there the water still runs there or that this drought has not affected it."
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 11:49:27 AM

Steele,

Oy. Collecting' kangaroo grass, no matter what you want it for or do with it (and I'll refrain from suggesting a vulgar purpose for it: watch out for those tiny seeds), is just another word for 'gathering'. Not 'cultivating'. Not 'farming'. Collecting = gathering.

How to explain the difference between gathering and farming simply ? Between, say, picking peaches off a tree, and planting and caring for a peach tree over some years ? Well, you may somehow 'collect' your thoughts', or 'gather your thoughts', but nobody in their right mind on OLO would suggest that you had 'cultivated' them.

When I lived in one community, and tried to set up a vegetable garden, I found great enthusiasm for the final stage of the process of digging, watering, weeding, fertilising, digging, weeding, weeding, weeding, and harvesting. One bloke asked if he could pick some of the sweet corn for a party, and enthusiastically and with some effort picked the lot. Gathering. Harvesting. Collecting. Picking. A form of foraging. A common form of distribution of labour: Somebody did the digging and weeding, someone else did the harvesting. I felt like the Little Black Hen :) . That lasted for only two seasons, then I got some sense and said, bugger this.

Joe

Foxy,

I appreciate that you've created this little fantasy world where Budj Bim undoes all previous history and shows that the aboriginals where at the forefront of world aquaculture ...or something...and that it additionally shows that aboriginals weren't nomadic.

And that you much prefer that 'facts' not be mentioned that might upset that little fantasy world. But its really a bit much to expect others to just acquiesce to your ill-informed wishes.

It might be that you were under the impression that everyone thought all natives were nomadic but that isn't so. It may be that you were under the impression that everyone thought all natives lacked rudimentary technology, but that isn't so.

Might I suggest that you acquaint yourself with something like the diaries of Charles Sturt ( http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/sturt/charles/s93t/complete.html) which will show that your impressions as to knowledge about aboriginals is wrong. I mention these diaries because I read then some 40 years ago and they remain a valuable source as to the nature of the untouched native culture in and around the more prosperous parts of south Australia. Anyone familiar with the writings isn't the least surprised by Budj Bim.

It is clear that this World Heritage Listing is a rather cynical attempt to muddy the waters as to the true nature of pre-1788 culture.