Never posted before so forgive me.
Firstly love your work Altrave, Loudmouth and MHaze.
SteeleR you made a lot of statements in " ......" but did not reference those statements.

I just have this to say -
A site of cultural significance doesn’t mean it should be blocked off from the world , if anything the locals should start farming eels in the same fashion and charge tourists , similar to what the Maori have done in Rotorua .
Cheers
Narelle

The worst form of ignorance is someone that reads and cherry picks only the information to support their preconceived bias.

similar to what the Maori have done in Rotorua .
Narelle47,
Yeah, makes sense. I gather sense hasn't been outlawed in NZ yet ?

May not be enough water out there right now, and welcome to our new poster
Not sure looking at the film from there the water still runs there or that this drought has not affected it

Dear Nareele47;

You write;

“Never posted before so forgive me.
Firstly love your work Altrave, Loudmouth and MHaze.
SteeleR you made a lot of statements in " ......" but did not reference those statements.

Well no you have posted before and you have heaped praise on some of those you have mentioned previously.

My hope is this was just a mistake rather than what appears on first blush to be an outright lie.

As to my referencing or lack thereof I, after many years of cajoling, have failed to convince most of the rightwingers here to post referencing links. Indeed I have even been taken to task for posting too many as they wish to keep this as an opinion only site, untroubled by truths forced on them by other documentation.

Therefore I am usually required to do my own googling on a particular sentence from some belligerent poster to find the source. All I have done is picked up their practice. If I am replying to the less belligerent I tend to furnish proper links.

As you appear to be a belligerent type I am happy to teach you how to go about finding the source of something I have posted.

If you type in “They collected a large quantity of kangaroo grass and steamed it in one of their ovens. When well softened it was taken out and allowed to cool.” with the quotation marks into Google it will take you to a book called Kulin and Kurnai By David Frankel, Janine Major. It is a collection of writings from the invaders to this country during the 19th century. If you wanted to know more you can borrow the book from a library. It is an interesting read.

However if you are true to the form showing in your posts to the site thus far I sense there will be little inclination to do so as having an entrenched mindset thus challenged can be distinctly unpleasant. However you may surprise me.

I think this is all starting to make sense to me now: so the Gunditjmara are entitled to Native Title over all of the Budj Bim area ? Property rights ? And, more importantly, sovereignty, whatever that might mean ?

And so the communities in the Torres Strait and up on the tip of Cape York who planted gardens, should also have sovereignty ? After all, they weren't 'mere' hunters and gatherers ? They cultivated the ground specifically to grow crops throughout the year, every year, so their property rights are recognised in the British common law. Is that it ?

I wish there were many more Indigenous land lawyers, and lawyers dealing with issues such as sovereignty and 'nations'. I don't know of any. Surely there must be some now - with sixty thousand graduates, there must be lawyer numbers in the four figures. They could tease out the distinctions between property rights and sovereignty.

Ah, I get it: Property rights ARE an expression of sovereignty, one means the other, and if any Indigenous group can prove they had some form of property rights, then ALL Indigenous groups - even as one Indigenous group (since all Indigenous people are one people, their culture is all the same everywhere) - can claim sovereignty ? To all of Australia ? That's the line the 'Left' wants to push now ?

Good luck.

Joe