https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971
Ise Mise read the link, from the BBC
no joy,no smart cop that, in posting the link just pain
Horror too children, in the house of their God, assaulted by his servants
It took place in many Churches, many faiths, even hillsong
Maybe if you must deny Catholics complicity you can fall back on its numbers world wide'
It would be best to demand accountability to say never again, to fight for the survival of your Church, not to try to hide its crimes

Belly,

I'm not trying to hide the crimes of the Catholic Church, there is no doubt that it has been infiltrated by evil people and that its beliefe in forgiveness has led to the perpetuation of evils.

That said, can you give a reference to your statement,
"World wide investigations have highlighted not one as bad as the Catholic Church, over centuries"

Now Not So Soon gives some good advice, heed it.

If you go back to the archives, I'm on record recommending the death sentence for paedophiles, Catholic, priest or whatever.

Ise Mise most of your post finds me in agreement but
Not-now-soon is not my mentor, his view as is yours, is not mine
Above I said the fact the Catholic Church is by far the biggest
AND in the most countries, may account for it being the WORST offender
Nothing can change that TRUTH
Again no intent to hurt you just this, truth over rules opinion every time

Belly,

"World wide investigations have highlighted not one as bad as the Catholic Church, over centuries"

Can't find a reference?

Poor lad!!

Dear Not_Now.Soon,

«Without the laws and the court, who is there for the person who was mugged, the person who was stolen from, the person who was vandalized, or for the child that isn't fed.»

So easy to forget:

"
The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.
One thing have I desired of the Lord, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the Lord, and to enquire in his temple.
For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.
And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the Lord.
"
[Psalms 27:1-6], see also [Psalms 146:7-9].

This is the BEST approach. Trust Him who saved His servant Daniel from the lions' den.

I too can forget this, then I shiver and tremble in fear of the state, whose prisons could do me far more harm than some mob with pitchforks and torches, because I'm concerned more for my soul than my body.

I pray for Cardinal Pell in his time of ordeal, whom I believe to be innocent of the charges. If this could happen to him, then can I be safe myself from such errors?
(fortunately Pell is under solitary confinement, sparing him some of prison's most horrible exposures to evil)
But yes, I should be trusting more in God: all Power comes from Him, including the state's!

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Now suppose we are less than saintly and fall short of trusting God at all times, so you wish to discuss a second-best option, law-and-order:

The good news is that with a measure of consideration, you can still produce that limited security which humans can provide in a moral way, without violating others, especially good-natured benevolent others.

You do so by INVITING others to join you in a society which, among other things, aims for mutual protection.
Nothing precludes you from including the ability to make laws, police and courts in your society's constitution.

Some "bad guys" will decline: that's alright, there are other ways to deal with them.

But when some "good guys" also decline, this could be because your proposed constitution fails to sufficiently address potential abuses by the very mechanisms of your society itself. So what do you do? Improve your constitution, adding appropriate safeguards until it becomes satisfactory to all good people.

«Even if that means people are stifled not giving consent so have to have hunting license»

You possibly misunderstood me: consent is for the constitution of a society which one agrees to belong to, not to each and every particular law.

I might not agree with every law, but in the great scheme of things, if the constitution is not in conflict with my basic values (including my religious values), then I would go along anyway and find the burden worthwhile in comparison to the protections I can receive.

In Australia for example, I am forbidden to ride a bicycle.
Is it right and fair to make such laws? It is not and I needlessly suffer as a result.
Is it a sufficient reason to raise arms and revolt? No. The benefits of an orderly society still outweigh the pains.
But why not reduce such unnecessary pains wherever we can?