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As I said before many nations have a revolution in their history that has become part of how that country self identifies itself. To rise up against an evil dictator, an oppressive King, or some other instance. The governments that this occurred in showed a great evil in not actually taking care of the people they were responsible for. Because of that they were fought against and over thrown. (Later in history the nation celebrates the successful overthrow of an oppressive leader, because that revolution is part of their cultural identity). However according to the verses in the bible, this is not following God's teachings.

Look at the example in Israel's exodus of Egypt again. The people of Israel weren't saved by a rebellion. Even with all the evil that the pharaoh was putting them under. There may have been a good chance under those conditions, that many fought back and were killed in the process, but there is no record of this. What is recorded is that God rescued the people of Israel. Not a rebellion that rescued them. Reread it if you want Yuyutsu. You may not believe it as it's written, but you've said you've studied Hebrew. Is what I've said the correct translation of those events as they are recorded?

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Regarding the Maccabean revolt. That's the exception I have no answer for. I've heard from someone that the Events leading up to the Maccabean revolt were identified in the book of Daniel, along with the revolt as well. I don't know. Connecting prophesy and history is not my strong suit. It's not a subject matter I'm knowledgable in. So all I can say in that matter is I don't know.

As for today if many of the rebellions in history didn't occur. That's a what if situation that has no answer. Who knows how things would turn out if history was different. There's no way to tell. That doesn't mean you agree with the oppression endured. It means you trust God and are willing to endure it until He rescues you, or tells you to rise up and flee or fight. Like I said, it's a hard lesson. Who can say what would have happened if people followed the teachings in the bible and trusted God. It's a what if that has no answer. Because like all what if situations it didn't happen that way.

Belly,

You gone into hiding on this?

ise mise I wanted to leave the thread
Your smugness, your inability to think, your clearly child like views
Most of all the thread has turned into something others want to pursue so until you rattled your tin it was over for me
Convince yourself if it helps, that you won
Nothing changes my view you lost about ten posts into the thread and got progressively worse as it went on

Belly,

You never did find a reference, do you have one for sour grapes?

wry shake of my head, he is still here!
Trying to sell ice blocks to Eskimos
Or is it raw smelly fish outside Mackas
Pedophilia in Churches and other movements, eg scouting, always brings the Catholic Church to mind first
A truth most people know, they are seen in headlines more than*any other Church*