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So where to for Labor now?
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:59:24 PM
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Dear Bazz,
«Yuyutsu, the reason that the detainees were not sent to NZ was because NZ would not remove the right to come to Australia by right. That path has long been a way around Australian immigration rules.» Come on, after what Australia did to them, who among them would ever want to come to Australia? Australia is the entity that captured them at sea and locked them up for so many years, the object of their trauma and nightmares - surely they cannot even bear to hear the name "Australia" without screaming and going psychotic. Our "representatives" have rendered us pirates. How could anyone even contemplate this atrocity of snatching away people off their boats on the high seas then locking them up? Not even for a ransom, just indefinitely, just cruelty for the sake of cruelty. Had the captives been adequately compensated financially for this injustice and torture, many millions of dollars each, then Australia would be begging them to come here and invest, gladly offering them business immigration visas... but then of course they would never accept such offers, they would only spit on these visas and what they represent, they could invest in New-Zealand instead or anywhere else really. Had there been a will, then surely there would also be a way around the legal formalities you mentioned - I can think of not just one but 100's of creative ways to get them to New-Zealand (but not to Australia), but no, there is no will here, only ill-will! While a relief on the economic front and in regard to religious freedoms (Christian freedoms, rather), it is so sad that the coalition got an absolute majority - otherwise they would have needed to negotiate, curb down their cruelty and compromise with independent members of parliament such as http://andrewwilkie.org/project/asylum-seekers-2 Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 12:22:57 AM
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One other aspect of CGT that was jettisoned along with indexation of the cost base with the introduction of the 50% concession, was dividing the CG by five to be added to other income for determining the marginal tax rate to apply in the financial year the asset is realized. This should be reintroduced with the reversion to indexation I propose as an option.
The other aspect of the old system is while capital gains could be indexed, losses carried forward could not be indexed to gross them up. In the light of the above, perhaps the 50% concession looks fairer than it appears on the surface. It also leads to more churn of assets rather than their retention to avoid realization and taxation, which must be good for capital flow efficiency. Anyway, I'll leave it to the parties sort it out with the hope they'll come to agreement based in fact and efficacy, not dogma and prejudice. Maybe I'm being too hopeful. Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 1:09:59 AM
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Let's be honest Labor has work to do, it always has had
Too Liberalism has similar problems, eased by the fact it now, has, a leader who like or loathe him, wll be hard to remove Labor will hold meetings, crowds will turn up to tell us why they think we lost Notice I left me out? See one of Labors troubles is its upwardly mobile inner city white collar mob They are the voice of the party not the branches Another Bob Hawk will arrive,he might be named Anthony Albanese, if the machinery lets him win this time It is true, defeat sometimes leads to the renewal needed We must stop pandering to the green left, but never stop being a true environmental party We should have said we would not stop Adani, too improve not stop live sheep trade, and made the same stop the boats announcements scomo did Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 6:36:53 AM
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Belly, if you have a new Bob Hawk, in Labor, they sure as hell have not put his/her head up above the parapet yet. Labor is of course not alone in that. Morrison is no new Howard or Menzies, & it will be even harder for such a person to rise there, with Morrisons win of "the unwinnable" becoming legend.
What you need most is someone strong enough to get rid of a host of lousy policies, rather than dream up new ones. We see an entirely new party rising to the top of voting intentions in the UK, they have someone not the product of either party running the US, & we probably need such a change here. The old parties are too set in their ways of thinking to move far enough or quickly enough to grab opportunities, or get out of the ruts they have dug. I'm nor sure we have the guts to make such a move, only time will tell. There was far too much crowing by Labor supporters sure Shorten was headed for the lodge before the event, which I'm sure turned some off, & while you have spin doctors like SR pushing your case, I'm sure many more are turned right off. A heavily condescending attitude is the first thing we notice about many lefties, which simply confirms they are fools, not worth listening to. That you need to fix, right after you fix policies. Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 1:05:45 PM
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Dear Hassie,
You're right of course. Both major parties need to take a look at their future plans and learn from this recent election. I am hoping that perhaps they will, under new leaderships, work out how they can work together for the good of the country - and not just keep on opposing each other. Voters are really sick of political point scoring. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 1:25:25 PM
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Why on earth did you bring up Trump and the Russians? This is far more obvious than that. These are the projects of Palmer's Waratah Coal which were hinging on the result.
http://www.waratahcoal.com/alpha-north-coal-project/
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-26/clive-palmer-seeks-approval-for-monster-mine-near-adani/9698680
Chuck in a large coal powered power station too near the site.
http://www.waratahcoal.com/clive-palmers-waratah-coal-announces-new-coal-fired-power-station-for-queensland/
For you to be flippant about there being any motive for Clive to spend $80 million on getting the Libs in either shows deep ignorance or just spreading bulldust around with gay abandon.
Part of the reason our company tax regime is on the high side is the fact that so many companies pay little or zero tax. This doesn't happen to anywhere near the same extent in other countries.