'Anyone not seeing this in the right light better look for another planet to live on !'

a planet without the disabled?

To Individual.

What Runner said about the child thought was going to have Down syndrome actually turned out healthy, this goes into the same reasoning I gave earlier for removing their choice to live before they have the chance to make it.

You don't know how they will turn out.

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On an other aspect about abortion. Abortion is presented as something done for the woman, rejecting the baby. It's for her life, for her struggles and for her to not have to pay the hardships of being a mother before she's ready or before she wants it.

This is the real heart of abortion. And this Istael stance where the majority of people who get abortions stand from. It's not for the babies welfare, for their health, or for them to not suffer. It's for the mothers welfare. This is a very important aspect to consider because her welfare is important.

The shame in getting pregnet before marriage, or any time that is thought to be wrong should not be a great enough burden to kill the baby before their born. Nor should the hardship of being a mother be the same great hardship pressed on those pregnet, to make them scared enough to kill their baby before they are born. Though the hardship and or the shame that are presented as part of the reasons millions a year use abortion (again it should be stressed that abortion is to kill the babies before they are born), those reasons should not be strong enough to consider killing a baby. Neither before they are born, nor after they are born.

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None the less. These are the issues that are facing young women in our addictively oversexed societies. They should not be ignored or be even greater burden either. Anyone who sees the value of life and values the life of a child should have the sense to not make abortion the solution to the issues making women choose abortion. There needs to be other alternatives. Discipline to abstain from sex, or at least use protection if they do. That should be a great enough priority for people so the issues of abortion don't have to be faced. There should be a cultural change to actually move against sex at any time in any way you want it kind of philosophy. At least that much to end the deaths caused every year through abortion.

Either way though you've heard it from several people that they've seen many people who have a severe disability and don't think of it as suffering. They just live life as they've always lived it. Probably much like a person born blind or born deaf would learn to live that way, because that's all they've known. It's not suffering. It's just harder. The disability of the child is no reason for abortion. Not one that meats the realities of their lives, nor the reason why the abortions occure.

a planet without the disabled?
runner,
Opportunistically mis-stated, a planet without disabled is more to the point.
I'm certain that every disabled person alive now would totally agree with that !

Is a fertilised egg a human being ? Then I suppose a morning-after pill would be out. In fact, to take the issue to an extreme, maybe some might object to any contraception, since, after all, every sperm is sacred.

Or is an embryo a human being ? i.e. in the first trimester of pregnancy ?

Okay, once an embryo has developed into a foetus, (around three months ? My school biology is pretty rusty), especially if such a foetus has developed to the point where it could exist outside the womb, with IC, then abortion becomes a bit more touchy.

But let's be honest: women are the human beings who have to cop all the disadvantages of carrying a baby to term, and most likely of raising it for the next twenty years or so. Men don't have much of a role in any of that usually.

So I'm not sure if men have any right to dictate to women what they can or can't do with their bodies, UNLESS the bloke is prepared to be the full-time carer while the mother resumes her career, OR the bloke is prepared to financially support the mother in comfort, as well as contribute to the superannuation that she would have earnt if she had continued working.

After all, the woman bears the child for nine months, then goes through the pain of childbirth (and the sleeplessness of raising a baby). I'm not sure if men can match that.

Joe

Loudmouth,
I agree, all those supposedly male limp-wristed social justice warriors should be kept in some public toilet & let the women get on with their decision making.