Runner,

Just asking, but if abortion was illegal, and women had to have their babies, should the fathers be required to pay for their maintenance until the kids were, say, eighteen ? Plus a mother's living allowance, of course ?

Or are you proposing that, since the girl has got herself pregnant (as the saying goes, like immaculate conception), she is at fault entirely (and she should have done A or B to avoid pregnancy) and should either bear the costs of raising the child herself, OR put the child up for adoption ?

Are those your options: paternal obligations; OR no paternal obligations but entirely maternal obligations; OR adoption out ?

Joe

'Just asking, but if abortion was illegal, and women had to have their babies, should the fathers be required to pay for their maintenance until the kids were, say, eighteen ? Plus a mother's living allowance, of course ?'

Hi Joe

by raising the cost of bringing up 'unwanted babies' we might as well murder one year old babies after useless fathers desert them. Much of the American Africans would not have survived. And don't give me totally unscientific nonsense about a' fetus' not being a person. True science absolutely debunks that made up myth. They tried to name Jews as non human in the same way.

A life is totally precious as many who could easily have been murdered would tell you. As the ex director of planned parenthood has revealed the abortion industry is one cruel, callous, dishonest industry that lies to young girls. If we can spend billions on myths like man made climate change surely we can find loving parents and pay for 'unwanted' kids.

surely we can find loving parents and pay for 'unwanted' kids.
runner,
Tragically, this is one of the greatest challenges out there because people don't just "love" a child because it is an orphan or unwanted.
An abortion in the first weeks of pregnancy must surely be more humane than watching them starve to death on TV ?
I just watched "The World from above" episode from around the Mediterranean & looking at these concrete jungles full of miserable humans spewing their hordes across the sea to Europe made me think of abortion being the most humane option.
Mass sterilisation would be another option. We have passed the point of compassion & are heading towards the inevitable if we persist on believing it won't affect us here within this decade.

Hi Runner,

You've answered questions that I didn't ask. I look forward to your answering the questions that I did ask :)

No rush :)

Cheers,

Joe

One would think that, with modern sex education and reliable contraception, there would be no need for abortion. But, it seems, people remain stupid, unable to restrain themselves, animalistic, ignorant of right and wrong etc. The human being hasn't really evolved much since Adam and Eve lost control of themselves.

Runner,
I simply cannot understand why there are so many abortions in Australia (100,000 pa).
We have reliable contraception and even the morning after pill.
So it simply has to be irresponsibility of some females that use abortion as a means of birth control.

I think it reasonable for abortion to occur for genuine medical reasons but not for the general run of 'on demand'.