Dear mhaze,

Semantics? Anybody with the slightest sense of what this was about and followed it without a MAGA hat firmly secured would not have said that.

You bought the myth that this was about collusion. Why? Because it was exactly how Trump and Rudi and the rest of their spin doctors set about directing the debate and you swallowed the lot.

Giuliani himself repeatedly claimed and I quote “I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or between people in the campaign” along with “I know that collusion is not a crime. “

Instead he claimed “There is not a single bit of evidence the president of the United States committed the only crime you can commit here, conspiring with the Russians to hack the DNC”.

It is not only me who knew the difference but it was pretty clear to most people properly following the issue. Why wasn't it for you?

So when you said; “BTW how educated were all those people who fell for the collusion story?” you are probably best placed to answer it.

Look I understand why you got this so wrong given Trump and his lawyer have cleverly repeatedly framed this in terms of 'collusion'.

But the idea that this was about collusion is a myth propagated by them. You ably assisted and will rightly now feel like a dupe. Don't worry, you are not the first one Trump has done over nor will you be the last.

As I have already said it was the FBI's responsibility to investigate the depth of the obvious collusion to see if it extended into conspiracy. They have done their job as we should expect of them and for you to keep labeling them 'deep state' doesn't afford Mueller he respect he deserves for serving the American people in the matter he did.

Now trot on back to your fawning of your idol chanting 'NO COLLUSION' if that makes you happy, but the rest of us aren't buying into the myth my friend. So get over it.

Pretty pathetic, SR, trying to pretend you weren't duped by playing childish word games.

But let's play it your way....

You were duped into believing there was a CONSPIRACY between Trump and Russia to give Trump the presidency and that Trump is consequently beholden to Putin.

You see SR, no matter what you call it, there wasn't any conspiracy or collusion or any other silly synonym you might conjure. But you allowed yourself to be convinced there was because you wanted it to be so. Truth or evidence didn't exist or matter. You just wanted to believe Trump was Putin's puppet because your fantasy world made more sense that way.

Again, are you going to offer any evidence for your claim that "Nearly every action regarding Russia even before he became president illustrates how beholden he is to him" or is that just another thing you make-up to try to avoid simply accepting you were on the wrong side of this?

As I said, I was impressed that Belly had the balls to just accept reality. You? Not so much.

Dear mhaze,

Strewth mate, it's like talking to a primary school kid.

You just won't let go of the myth will you. I have given you detailed reasoning to show you why you have been duped yet you are determined not to engage a single one. I have even quoted Trump and his lawyer Giulliani who clearly know the difference between collusion and conspiracy yet you are still clinging to the claim of semantics.

Now you are trying to say Trump being beholden to Putin is me claiming there was a conspiracy. Look, I blame myself, I obviously am seriously failing to get through to you the true nature of conspiracy. There are plenty of world leaders who are beholden to others leaders, Turnbull and Trump spring to mind. This is NOT evidence of conspiracy. So I will repeat the definition of conspiracy I gave earlier in the hope it might register this time.

From Blake's law dictionary; "a deceitful agreement or compact between two or more persons, for the one party to bring an action against the other for some evil purpose, as to defraud a third party...".

Now you have all my post history at your fingertips so I yet again ask you to provide one instance where I asserted there was a conspiracy between Putin and Trump.

When I asked the question "It would be interesting to know what would have happened if the Russians had directly hacked Hillary's emails rather than the DNC", you didn't address it except to say flippantly they didn't need to. That would have probably been enough to indict Trump on conspiracy charges.

Finally what evidence are you prepared to present saying there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump camp when Trump's own lawyer Giulliani basically accepts there was?

You really have just been playing catch up on this haven't you. Time to properly drop the myth that this was about 'collusion'. Can't you accept you were wrong on this and move on?

mhaze I think you are missing one point.

SR & the rest of them wanted desperately to find something, anything against Trump.

They know the Clintons are as dirty an anyone who has lived in the white house, & they deserve prison. They are terrified their dealings with Putin could be revealed during this election campaign, & want Trump out of the picture with out an election.

Posted by david f, Thursday, 4 April 2019 4:54:32 AM
There has been some discussion of science on this thread, and this quiz might be fun to take.

Answer- Interesting results as you advised on here.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-are-smart-about-science/?wpisrc=nl_science&wpmm=1

From the website...

They want to find out whether people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson are right when they blame scientific illiteracy for problems like disbelief in climate change.

“And interesting thing about that,” Besley said. “Turns out the relationship between what people know about science and their attitudes about science … is pretty small.” That is to say, Americans who know more science facts don’t necessarily hold the science policy beliefs actual scientists would prefer, nor do Americans who know the least have the least trust in science. And despite very different ideologies on a number of scientific issues, Republicans and Democrats score about the same on the Pew survey. What’s more, Besley said, experiments that tried to change a belief about a science topic by increasing people’s science education have largely failed.

We like threads about the funny bloke in the white house, see the numbers of threads and contributions
Much like the yo yo or other past next big thing, some of us clutch the mans every word to our breasts claiming only he knows what needs doing
Others [me] grin and think of that fairy tail about the king's new clothes
Ignoring the reams of news stories, even from within his own camp, has become a skill for some supporters
Baffling as it is some even project things they think, desperately want to believe, he stands for, yet in truth he never ever did
Q gee that getting a mention may bring some Americans here in deep joy, see it like Trump is a fraud, google it and wonder how
Adults can be fooled so totally by a fraud