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A View of Trump

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cont'd ...

With the 2020 presidential campaign now underway,
The Nation article says that it would be electorally
disastrous for the Democrats to replicate that
strategic emphasis.

They tell us that the better answer to the question
"Is Trump Racist?" is that it's not about who he is,
it's about who "Americans are" who they are as a country.

Whatever is in his heart, his actions plainly show that
Trump is trying to return the US to a time when racism and
white supremacy was the law of the land.

But the US and American people are a better people than
that and if they make the right strategic decisions today,
according to The Nation they can reclaim the political power
necessary to build a country that reflects their highest
and best values and ideals.

There's more at the following link:

http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-racist-democratic-party/
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 5:39:16 PM
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mhaze,

I find that "The Federalist,"and its founder Bob
Domenech - a bit too extreme for my taste. As for
Molly? she's a pro Trump commentator and a pro
Trump defender. You think she's a "treasure,"
well you are entitled to your opinion.
I'll stick with the facts.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 5:56:18 PM
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Dear mhaze,

You write; “But no matter what you call it, you fell for the myth and accepted that Trump was beholden to Putin.”

Of course he is beholden to Putin. Nearly every action regarding Russia even before he became president illustrates how beholden he is to him. That is not what was considered rather was there a prima facie case that the two conspired to engage in an illegal act.

The term 'Collusion Myth' should be aimed at yourself. Nowhere in the Mueller's brief nor the four page report released by the AG does the word collusion arise. Conspiracy howver is repeatedly employed. I am not trying to change anything rather you are determined to hold on to your pet term even though I clearly showed it was incorrect.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/AG_March_24_2019_Letter_to_House_and_Senate_Judiciary_Committees.pdf

I invite you to show me anywhere I have claimed that there was enough evidence to convict Trump on conspiracy charges.

There is however plenty of evidence to show Trump's team met with Russian agents to secure dirt on their opponents. It is not disputed by Rudy Giuliani, it may not have been conspiracy but it was certainly a form of collusion.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 6:21:18 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/science/quiz/science-knowledge-quiz/ is a quiz that gives an insight on how much you know about science.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-are-smart-about-science/?wpisrc=nl_science&wpmm=1 discusses the results of the quiz and relates it to political groupings in the US.

There has been some discussion of science on this thread, and this quiz might be fun to take.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 4 April 2019 4:54:32 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-is-unraveling-before-our-eyes-20190404-p51al7.html
Daid remove the s from the first part of your link,see mine, it will then work
We can continue to ignore Trump has issues, but we are only deceiving ourselves if we do
Our bias/refusal to seethe man as he is, will change nothing
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 4 April 2019 5:26:14 AM
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SR,

Still trying to change the subject to a semantic issue between 'collusion' and 'conspiracy'?

Call it whatever you want because neither exist in regards to Trump-Russia. I use collusion because that's been the standard nomenclature for the past two years.

"Nearly every action regarding Russia even before he became president illustrates how beholden he is to him."

Are you gunna offer some examples or is that just something you assert while trying to pretend you weren't fooled by the myth-makers.

"I invite you to show me anywhere I have claimed that there was enough evidence to convict Trump on conspiracy charges."

I invite you to show me where I suggested you made that claim. More attempts at changing the subject...sorry, not playing.

What I'm saying is that you fell for the myth that there was collusion (call it a conspiracy if you want) between Trump and Putin to hand the election to Trump and that Trump is therefore a puppet to Putin. Its a myth. It was always a myth. You bought it. And you need to consider how you were duped.

"Trump's team met with Russian agents to secure dirt on their opponents."

There was one meeting and you clearly know very little about it.
FYG, it was a trap set by Fusion GPS and possibly the FBI. They Russians involved had nothing to do with the Russian government. It was a low level discussion which Trump didn't even attend. It lasted 30 minutes and the only thing discussed was some issues around sanctions. But it was one of the things those perpetrating the myth put out, so its little wonder you bought it.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 4 April 2019 4:07:52 PM
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