Perciles
There is a difference between kindness and cowardness.

Have you first hand experience of working with Muslim leaders in Australia? I have.

They COUNT on our kindeness. They see it as weak. They have no regard and less respect for us.

No regard for our laws our people our children our parents our churches our courts.

We are considered a huge joke world wide.

And why not? The Government refuse to stand up to them with many deals through trade and lots of contacts with Saudi Oil Money.

They wont let us take over their country or have ANY say in what happens so why should we tolerate them taking over ours.

The difficulty there is in undestanding why Phillip and i would say that is you dont why Islam cant be deeply rooted in Australia.

We dont see religion as having the power to rule over all of life.

Instead, there is a secular realm in which organised religion has no authority.
So Thus! theres a wall of seperation between Church and State.

Translated in terms you will understand it simply means you can have warm and fussy feelings towards these people BUT they will only see that as a weakness.
Phillip is correct.
Let us! open Ten Churches to spread the word of freedom as WE know it.
That would seem to me to be a reasonable response from a country where by we have taken in so many of their people.
Do unto others
etc. and so forth.
Surely if Australians are to be so tolerant of THEIR Religioun in our country they ought to be likewise to ours.
Anything less would be an insult to all Australians.

Philip.. you will always interest me when you use scripture :) but I point you to the preceeding verses of that same chapter including this:

"11We have spoken freely to you, Corinthians, and opened wide our hearts to you. 12We are not withholding our affection from you, but you are withholding yours from us. 13As a fair exchange—I speak as to my children—open wide your hearts also."

But the whole chapter is a good one.

The following is very relevant to the call 'NOT' to seek the conversion of non Christians:

IICor 4:1
[Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. 2Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.]

No matter how close to Pauls way we are, we will always be 'gluttons and drunkards' to some and 'demon possessed' or 'odious' to yet others. We still go on proclaiming though, for in that proclamation, Gods grace is announced.

PALE, are you suggesting that wanting to live in a free country is cowardly?

>>There is a difference between kindness and cowardness.<<

We should, according to your way of thinking, be brave enough to discard all the freedoms that our predecessors have earned for us, and return to a form of dictatorship?

What, for goodness' sake, is cowardly about upholding principles of fairness and decency? There is even a Christian mantra somewhere - honoured more in breach than observance, clearly - that talks of turning the other cheek. Or is that simply cowardice too?

I cannot see the point of objecting to something you disapprove of, only to offer the same behaviour in retaliation. Just seems dumb to me.

Perciles said-

There is even a Christian mantra somewhere - honoured more in breach than observance, clearly - that talks of turning the other cheek. Or is that simply cowardice too?
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Yep sure is when the good Christian Leaders st on ther lorals and say nothing about the treatment of Gods Creatures our Australian Animals.
Too scared of losing their bit of funding. Shame

How about the silence from them over this propsal by Muslim Leaders to be allowed to hold ritual slaughter of millions of Animals In Australia?

The reason is because they WONT do anything to work with Western Countries- and because Pre Stunning was introduced by the West they reject it.

Let them go back to their pre historic ways if they cant respect our laws.
I will bet you a shilling on the side if I went to the ME and tried to open several Christian Churches and Meat plants using pre stunning I would be run out of town if not stonned to death.

Whats that song- For thirty bits of silver a man became a Rat?

All you fuzzy wuzzy luvi luvi rubbish is laughed at by Muslims who want to take control of Australia.

There is a difference between kindness and stupidity and our country is in trouble as they take away way our life style.
We used to say the lords prayer at school.
Thats no longer allowed because it may offend these new people.
How much MORE warning do you need.
Phil was right.

Taryn W: "All you fuzzy wuzzy luvi luvi rubbish is laughed at by Muslims who want to take control of Australia."

Yup, I'll bet PALEIF conducts highly successful negotiations with Muslims when their members write such rubbish on public forums in Australia.

From the often incomprehensible nonsense published on their behalf in this forum, I get the clear impression they're a bunch of nutters. Well-meaning, but unhinged nonetheless.